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[LHX]

also, can anyone come up with a short abstract of this concept for the wiki?
It'll go at the top of the Shrapnel Project table of contents.


I figure we have enough fat chewed at this point that we should centralize it
and LHX's post was too cool not to publish somewhere

the shrapnel ordeal stemmed from a few conversations


i think RWHN has a slightly different take on it than me

also Felix might have some jewels to drop on the issue


lets see what we can come up with

[Cramulus]

I think the Ego Sickness discussion is relevant to this idea too

The diagram I posted over there is a spin off from the image of memes exploding all over the place. I'm talking about the shrapnel in terms of particles / molecules, and how they attract and repel each other. My chemistry is rusty though, so any pointers for more accurate language are appreciated.

[LMNO]

We haven't even come close to figuring out what Shrapnel means.

It just sounds right.  It feels right.

[Triple Zero]

We haven't even come close to figuring out what Shrapnel means.

It just sounds right.  It feels right.

whoa whoa

hold it right there

just because the menu looks so shiny doesn't mean the meal will be, especially not if we haven't even come close to figuring out what the meal is.

i'm serious.

it's just a name. a word, and it sounds and feels right to you, but we haven't even come close to figuring out what it means?

you're seriously getting blinded by the packaging. i concur, "shrapnel" is a cool word, rolls right off the tongue etc, but for using as a metaphore it leaves much to be desired. at least, in my opinion.
the pieces people have written were in my eyes using shrapnel as a rather awkward simile/metaphore, with which i'm not saying the ideas in it weren't good or profound, just that

the meaning or "semantic shape" of the word "shrapnel" and the ideas/concepts we're trying to describe only overlap very partially: "shrapnel" has some meanings that we don't subscribe to, and the ideas/concepts we're talking about have some properties that need some serious drugs before they can be attributed to shrapnel.

IMO.

[LMNO]

Law of Fives.

If we're clever enough, we can find patterns that relate to "shrapnel" that will make it supercool.


LMNO
-in for a penny, in for a pound.

[Forteetu]

From my take on this discussion so far, what seems to be missing is the inter-play of the type of energy being discussed. This explosion, shrapnel, compression, explosion, shrapnel concept doesn;t really touch on the interaction between individuals, events and the like. As has been mentioned already, it has a very "everything comming at you" feel and little to no inter-play or interaction.

Maybe shrapnel isn't the right word, maybe its an incomplete memephor and needs something equivalent to the flack jacket of protection or some kind of personal reactive armour.

Dunno, but its an interesting convo none the less ...

[AFK]

I'll take a crack at some kind of summary-type thing.  However it won't be forthcoming until later today if not tomorrow.  I'm gonna be in meetings all morning. 

And I think what I want to do is to try to write it without the actual word, or using it as little as possible.  Because as I've said before, for me it's the visual of Shrapnel that's important, not the literal meaning of Shrapnel.  I see it as sort of the perpendicular to the BIP concept.  Anyway, I'll work something up and post it here later. 

[Cramulus]

any progress Rev?



also:

I recall a while back reading a passage on why it was important to have the BIP metaphor. the gist of it was that once we have the metaphor, you can use that metaphor to enact change in your life.

Like life isn't "really" a black iron prison. But if you can see life through that lens, it will help you escape from the sort of traps that the BIP metaphor warns us about.

I think this passage is useful in establishing why we're talking about Shrapnel. So far the shrapnel discussion hasn't recommended any course of action or anything, it's just trying to create a metaphor for how things (memes?) are happening to us / from us. Once we have a good conception of that, we can move on to more dark and preachy essays. 

But anyway, does anyone know which passage I'm talking about? It may already be on the wiki. If it isn't, it should be.



Professor Cramulus

[AFK]

Not sure, though some of the first threads in this subforum were kind of an issue-by-issue addressing of the BIP.  For example the Family thread.  But I don't remember that specific one you are talking about.  As far as the summary, I've made some progress but I'm not done it yet. 

[AFK]

So I threw up a sort of Shrapnel primer/summary on the bip wiki.  I know it will need to be refined as things develop. 

[AFK]

I've been adding some things to the Wiki today.  It's been awhile since it was updated. 

I added some new pieces to the Literature section.
I added a Download section to the main page, currently it just has links to the v1 and v2 pamphlets.  But moar is always a good thing. 

That's it for now.  I want to add some more pieces but am waiting to hear about kopyleft status. 

[Cramulus]

good work, Rev.

If anyone's looking to help out,
some of the pieces have been added or updated between v1 and v2.

The wiki could really use someone going through the v2 pamphlet and C&Ping the pieces if they've changed.

Off the top of my head I know LMNO's piece about Reality needs to be updated on the wiki, and the Parable of the Gong needs to be added as well. We have a few more pieces from Vex and a piece at the end of the pamphlet which are in the PDF but not on the wiki.

[AFK]

You may thank my lack of interest in work today for my sudden burst in wiki productivity.

It doesn't help that I am literally the only person in the office today. 

But back to the wiki, I had intended to add your, Crams, and Vex's downloads to the download section but I encountered a glitch and lost everything I had typed, and I felt too lazy to go back and do it again. 

[AFK]

bump to ask if anyone has the original BIP in any kind of electronic fashion.  I was poking around and noticed when clicking on its link at the wiki that it goes nowhere.  I think it'd be nice to still have that there, if for no other reason than for historical purposes.  I apparently nixed it from my computer.  Anyway, if anyone has it you can e-mail it to me at rev.whats.his.name@hotmail.com and I'll get it back on.  Thanks. 

[AFK]

Nevermind, I found it over at POEE.