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Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« on: March 14, 2007, 01:30:49 pm »
http://concordiamovement.blogspot.com/2007/03/black-iron-prison.html



Modern Discordians have finally almost created a new idea on their own . . . they only had to rip it off from an imfamous CIA investigated sci-fi hack named Dick. How appropriate.

This idea is known as the Black Iron Prison, and the basic concept is that your own perceptions are a prison from which you can never break free from. Once you realize you are trapped in a prison you can try to break out, but once you are outside you realize you are trapped within a larger, more impenetrable, prison. No matter what you do, or what you try, you are trapped.

What a cheery concept.

They offer no ways to get out, or think around this concept, its just laid out there and you had better digest it, accept it, and like it or you are a shallow fool who doesn't get the 'harsh reality' of the situation.

The idea comes from Dick's book Valis, which nobody I know has read or even heard of. The more obscure, the better, I guess.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2007, 01:43:39 pm »
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.

Anybody want to toss the Golden Sphere of Possibility their way?
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2007, 02:09:37 pm »
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 01:43:39 pm
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.

Anybody want to toss the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself their way?

f1x.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2007, 02:44:05 pm »
TEHMANG 222000000 points - concordiamovement nil poi.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2007, 02:53:01 pm »
Quote from: Mangrove on March 14, 2007, 02:09:37 pm
Quote from: LMNO on March 14, 2007, 01:43:39 pm
Wow, that's almost the same thing Laz said.

Anybody want to toss the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself their way?

f1x.

That tears it.  We need to get Parker Brothers on the horn to develop a BIP Monopoly game.  So, far for tokens we've got a barstool, the Golden Hand Grenade of Go Fuck Yourself, we could throw in a golden apple for nostalgia. 
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2007, 02:53:26 pm »
Just a thought...
the dude *may* have a point.
BIP does sorta come off as pretty depressing.
Not that it doesn't sorta make sense, but yeah... come on, the name already suggests it's not a "fun" read.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2007, 02:57:17 pm »
Sure, it's depressing to someone who totally misses the point


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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2007, 03:00:22 pm »
Lys, check out the "GSP" thread I just bumped.  Let me know if that's any less depressing.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2007, 03:13:03 pm »
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on March 14, 2007, 02:57:17 pm
Sure, it's depressing to someone who totally misses the point




I second that statement.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2007, 03:15:15 pm »
Ah yeah, GSP thread curious.

Also, that site mentioned...
it's discordians trying to "take down" discordia, so I don't think it needs to be taken too seriously in the first place.
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- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order… is you!

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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2007, 03:22:26 pm »
Yeah, I know.  I'm 99% certain of who it is too, and I like giving them the exposure they deserve.
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2007, 03:28:27 pm »
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 03:15:15 pm
Ah yeah, GSP thread curious.

Also, that site mentioned...
it's discordians trying to "take down" discordia, so I don't think it needs to be taken too seriously in the first place.

Very few things do.  On the other hand, it's not a bad idea to have someone occasionally taking us to task like we do others.  It may be that they're missing the point because they're too heavily invested in another worldview to even begin to understand what we're doing/saying, but it may also be that we're getting too far into the habit of ... preaching to the choir isn't the best metaphor, but when we write stuff to post here, we know that most of them already have certain understandings, grok our acronyms and our..."culturally unique" metaphors, so we forget to try writing with an eye toward the "lay person".
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2007, 04:20:00 pm »
i think it's interesting that this guy got almost the same conclusion as Laz did.

no matter if they both completely missed the fucking point, we might want to think about priming the BIP concept for short-sightedness
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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2007, 04:23:05 pm »
Oh no, I didn't miss the point.
I never said that the book sucked, it just comes off dark and depressing. I can see how it IS a good thing though.

But yeah, you have to remember, we're dealing with cabbages here, they could pikc it up, see "Black iron prison" and go, "Oh that's not happy enough for me to bother with" and toss it in the bin or sommink.

Just a thought.
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- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order… is you!

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Re: Wheeeeeeeeeeee!
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2007, 04:24:17 pm »
Quote from: Lysergic on March 14, 2007, 04:23:05 pm
Oh no, I didn't miss the point.
I never said that the book sucked, it just comes off dark and depressing. I can see how it IS a good thing though.

But yeah, you have to remember, we're dealing with cabbages here, they could pikc it up, see "Black iron prison" and go, "Oh that's not happy enough for me to bother with" and toss it in the bin or sommink.

Just a thought.

True, but I don't think anyone has any delusion of getting to everybody.  Even if 5% read it and get it, it's better than nothing. 
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