Explaining the BIP to normal people

[Messier Undertree]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

[DJRubberducky]

I was never under the impression that it was possible to completely liberate myself.  What I can do is take some control over the size of my cell - knock down a few walls, use the rubble to build new ones that are more to my liking.  That kind of thing.

[Messier Undertree]

Yeah, I explained that to her.

I like to think of it as breaking out into a larger prison.

But she seems to think that the prison only exists if you think it exists.

And she thinks that an imaginary prison just adds to your problems.

She doesn't want to live her life in perpetual struggle.

Also, she won't post here.

Just to piss me off probably.

[Jenne]

I'm not sure I disagree with this.  I mean, really, you can't NOT play around in your mind with how to escape, how to change it all, how to dupe yourself AGAIN into thinking "you're free."  Or that you deserve to be free.  Or that you were BORN free.

The exhaustion doesn't have to be in vain, however.  In seeking ways to fight against your "nature/nurture"...you're just creating new keys.  Or new cells.  Whatever.  I think that part actually varies, personality to personality.  Some are more apt to find ways to escape, others how to make their cell more "them" and less "someone else."

What was she trying to say here?  That the BIP concept just makes you tired and run-down?  I'd say that's life in general.  They don't call it "the rat race" for nothin'...

[Messier Undertree]

What was she trying to say here?  That the BIP concept just makes you tired and run-down?  I'd say that's life in general.  They don't call it "the rat race" for nothin'...

Her answer to that...

The BIP concept just makes things even harder than they already are.

"Poetry isn't meant to be analyzed. It's meant to be enjoyed."

Same can be said for life.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

tell her to register here already. we can use more input.

[rygD]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

Ok, cut the fancy shit so she can understand.  The message is "What you believe imprisons you".  By her not accepting the fact that the way she looks at "reality" controls her experience of it she cannot understand the silly little game that is BIP.  She is getting stuck on the words, missing the meaning.  Try the GSP on her...or something.

As for the poetry thing, bullshit, poetry has no purpose beyond making worthless fucks feel important, like they did something.  Everything should be analysed.  If she disagrees why is she analysing the BIP explanation?

Also, where did you find normal people?  I have been around a bit and have yet to encounter such a thing.

[Jenne]

Life is meant to be enjoyed.  And if she's doing that, then more power to her, and have a nice life.  I'm serious about that.  I encounter few very truly happy with everything people.  If she's one of those, then she's where she needs to be.

If she's bullshitting and she's NOT, then there's something she can still grasp at here.  *shrug*

That's all I got.

[Jenne]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

Ok, cut the fancy shit so she can understand.  The message is "What you believe imprisons you".  By her not accepting the fact that the way she looks at "reality" controls her experience of it she cannot understand the silly little game that is BIP.  She is getting stuck on the words, missing the meaning.  Try the GSP on her...or something.

As for the poetry thing, bullshit, poetry has no purpose beyond making worthless fucks feel important, like they did something.  Everything should be analysed.  If she disagrees why is she analysing the BIP explanation?

Also, where did you find normal people?  I have been around a bit and have yet to encounter such a thing.

Silly wabbit, no such thing.

[Messier Undertree]

Life is meant to be enjoyed.  And if she's doing that, then more power to her, and have a nice life.  I'm serious about that.  I encounter few very truly happy with everything people.  If she's one of those, then she's where she needs to be.

If she's bullshitting and she's NOT, then there's something she can still grasp at here.  *shrug*

That's all I got.

I think I agree with you there actually.

She does seem to be happy right now.

Happiness isn't permanent in my experience though.

I'll try and get her to register here but she doesn't seem to want to for some reason.

[LHX]

do humans have limitations?


can these limitations be metaphorically represented as a prison?


is it a requirement for all prisons to be bad?



from a objective viewpoint, a prison is nothing more than a place to be



let it be noted:
i do understand why people dislike the suggestion of a prison

[Cain]

What limits you but isn't a prison?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

What limits you but isn't a prison?

The BLACK IRON DOMINATRIX

[Cain]

THE BLACK IRON FASCIST TOTALITARIAN STATE

Which, incidentally, would make a smashing name for any modern day fascist movements.

[P3nT4gR4m]

The imaginary boundaries of consciousness