Explaining the BIP to normal people

[Triple Zero]

THE BLACK IRON CUPBOARD THAT YOU JUST CAN'T REACH OR PANTS THAT ARE SLIGHTLY TOO TIGHT MAKING YOU WALK UNCOMFORTABLY OR SOMETHING SIMILAR

also, the OP kinda reminds me of that free will discussion. in there, everybody was very quick to admit "ah but it doesn't matter as long as you believe you have free will", how is it different here?

[LMNO]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

That sounds suspiciously like "The Secret".

The thought influences the reality.  Which can be true. 

However.

Thinking that your mind has no limitations implies that it is entirely possible to see the Universe as it is, with no psychological filters, and no biological limitations.  Which leads one to proclaiming that they have The Truth, and they see the Universe As It Really Is.

Which is bullshit.

I can't jump 20 feet in the air.  Thinking I can will only lead to eventual humiliation when at the bottom of a cliff.  However, If I can accept that I can't jump 20 feet in the air, I can get to work and start climbing.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

That sounds suspiciously like "The Secret".

The thought influences the reality.  Which can be true. 

However.

Thinking that your mind has no limitations implies that it is entirely possible to see the Universe as it is, with no psychological filters, and no biological limitations.  Which leads one to proclaiming that they have The Truth, and they see the Universe As It Really Is.

Which is bullshit.

I can't jump 20 feet in the air.  Thinking I can will only lead to eventual humiliation when at the bottom of a cliff.  However, If I can accept that I can't jump 20 feet in the air, I can get to work and start climbing.

The imaginary boundaries of consciousness

The physical world has limits. The world of consciousness, however, is boundless. Important distinction which you quite rightly make LMNO. Makes me wonder if the BIP relates to the material world at all. The only true freedom is to be found in mind, everything else comes down to a cage of biology and gravity and al the rest. Freedom comes from knowing this but not accepting boundaries of imagination and thought.

[AFK]

I was explaining the ideas behind the Black Iron Prison to my friend, and this is what she had to say about it...

Thinking your mind is enclosed keeps your mind enclosed, because that thought runs through your mind.

And the thought of imprisonment becomes reality to your mind after a certain time.

So really, you aren't liberating your mind at all, you're just exhausting it.

Turning it into an endless fight against yourself.

Any thoughts on this?

I would argue that your mind may indeed be closed, but this person's statement supposes that a person actually experiences those limits.  I would argue that one does not, thus why many continue to wonder about their universe and explore it.  If you had actually mapped out all of your minds boundaries, you'd basically be reduced to a robot just carrying out routine actions day in and day out.  And indeed there are many who have, falsely, erected walls and limitations in their mind that obscure the actual limitations.  

This is the BIP concept.  Breaking down these false walls with the realization that the "true" walls or limitations are actually beyond the artificial horizons we tend to create.  But, much like a horizon.  You really can never truly reach it, at least this is my belief.  

So the limits are not limits.  
Thus, how the prison is not a prison.  

[LMNO]

YOu're getting sloppy with word usage, Silly.

What do you mean by "The world of conciousness is boundless"?

[LMNO]

So the limits are not limits.  
Thus, how the prison is not a prison.  

Me likey.

[AFK]

Well of course the BIP relates to the material world.  It has to, that's where a lot of our input comes from.  Even when we revel in the imaginary, our imaginations are shaped and pieced together from actual experiences.  When a baby dreams, it can't dream about things it hasn't experienced.  It can't dream about a horse if it has never seen one. 

[P3nT4gR4m]

YOu're getting sloppy with word usage, Silly.

What do you mean by "The world of conciousness is boundless"?

More or less exactly as it sounds. Maybe "world" wasn't the right word? Domain mighta done better.

Basically what I'm getting at are the two aspects of our existence - Existence itself and how we react to it consciously. The material world is something we cannot see all of in fact it's arguable whether we see it at all. Question is what's seeing? I don't have the answer to this but what I am fairly sure of is that what I'm experiencing is a mental image which I have created, based on chemical information, fed into my brain via sensory apparatus.

My experience of the real world is something I create in my mind. Some of this is, to all intents and purposes, immutable. Gravity, temperature, the need to feed... Other parts, however, are opinions - The need to wear specific clothes, to buy specific brands, to feel specific ways about specific issues. In this area the walls of the prison come to exist. One is trapped in modes of thought by ones own self imposed limitations. Examples spring to mind, such as "I wish I could sing but I'm tone deaf", "I'm a labourer I could never become management.

Distinguishing the immutable stuff from the conditioning or psychologically imposed limits affords one the opportunity to break down a lot of walls that have no reason to be there and are counter to one's enjoyment and exploration of existence.

Finding out that there were absolutely no limits to my imagination/consciousness was something that helped me greatly in realising just how much of what I thought reality was was complete and utter bollix. The quantum leap from misery to paradise.

[LHX]

we are all on the same track

we are all using different words to describe it



im reading all these posts here and i hear the message loud and clear

[LHX]

or im hallucinating

[P3nT4gR4m]

Aye! My problem is I try to distill the idea down to as few words as possible but often that means it ends up only making sense to me.

Either that or I use too many words, in the wrong order, and it also comes across as gibberish.

[AFK]

it can be tough.  brevity is a double edged dagger. 

[LHX]

Aye! My problem is I try to distill the idea down to as few words as possible but often that means it ends up only making sense to me.

Either that or I use too many words, in the wrong order, and it also comes across as gibberish.

this is a important understanding to factor into this shit


its been coming to mind often lately -

also relates to this fact:

you give people too few choices - they feel trapped and will avoid making a choice
you give people too many choices - they get overwhelmed


the balance is tough to achieve - and it also seems to shift and vary



looks like if one wanted to kick it up a few notches - they would accommodate for these plot twists

[P3nT4gR4m]

It should also be taken into account just how difficult a concept it is to grasp for so many. When you 'get' the concepts of the BIP you must remember that most people don't. We may deride them as herd or cabbages but, from their point of view, they never really had a choice or, to be more accurate, they never realised they had a choice, which is tantamount to the same thing.

It's like flatland - all the little square fellow had to do was stand up on his edge but how on earth was the sphere supposed to make him realise that? Bear in mind that we have no available means of plucking them out their world.

[LMNO]

So Silly, you seem to be saying that when you say "imagination is boundless" your aim is to examine and deconstruct/reconstruct the psychological filters your brain uses to interpret what it sees?  That's cool.

But you have to realize where the imagination and the physical overlap.  You can imagine yourself to be able to breathe underwater, but if you try it, you'll drown.