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Freedom and rights: some thoughts

Started by B_M_W, March 23, 2007, 09:13:35 PM

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Thurnez Isa

#15
March 27, 2007, 03:57:49 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2007, 07:42:06 AM

Freedom is something you sieze.  And you give the people you're siezing it from a fucking rupture. 


:mittens:

thats brilliant
should be on the one sentence meme list
Through me the way to the city of woe, Through me the way to everlasting pain, Through me the way among the lost.
Justice moved my maker on high.
Divine power made me, Wisdom supreme, and Primal love.
Before me nothing was but things eternal, and eternal I endure.
Abandon all hope, you who enter here.
Dante

B_M_W

#16
March 27, 2007, 07:26:22 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on March 27, 2007, 05:55:20 AM
QuoteI don't think you understand. When I say choice I mean the choice they make, not the options they have. The two are not the same. Its not an inpingment upon freedom. It is however, very fucktardly.

I'm not saying choice and options are the same, I'm saying they're integral. 

So for the record, denying people education is not an infringement on people's freedom?

Quote
QuoteMentally ill people can choose between killing the insects under their elbow skin or the arachnids under their nipples, but when we know these are hallucinations, we don't call this freedom.
Or they could choose to ignore the hallucinations, etc. Those are options. The options are not the freedom, the making of the decision is.

I'll tell my schizophrenic friend to stop taking his meds and just ignore his hallucinations.   :roll:

What is choice without options? 


QuoteI DID adress it. Choice when I say it means the decided action. Thus the decision leads into the action.

Well, I hope you can understand that most people regard choice as a decision that has no necessary connection with action.

When you wrote this:

QuoteThis liberty is inherent in every person, and it exists as choice. Not the ability to choose, but the choices made themselves.

It sure sounds like you're saying it's all about decisions.



QuoteIf your options are based upon false understanding, they are pretty crappy options, but you don't know that. You have to make choices based upon what you know, or your abilities, etc. There are no other options than that.

So you can't make choices based upon what other people know?  What?  That doesn't sound like freedom to me.

The main point that you don't seem to want to acknowledge is that other people can limit your ability to carry out your choices and decisions.  They also can keep you ignorant of options that would change your mind if you knew about them.  Disease also can prevent you from carrying out your decisions and choices.  Without the ability to act on choices, choice is nothing.

There is such a thing as infringement on other's freedom.  I don't know what's so hard to understand about that.

*sigh*

I've tried to explain three times now.

Oh well. No helping an unsaved heathen.

Tony Snow's cancerous liver should be along to explain it to you shortly.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

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#17
March 27, 2007, 07:36:09 PM
Thought you'd buckle.

But so soon.

For shame.
P E R   A S P E R A   A D   A S T R A

B_M_W

#18
March 27, 2007, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on March 27, 2007, 07:36:09 PM
Thought you'd buckle.

But so soon.

For shame.

I got bored.

Nothin more to it than that.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

The Good Reverend Roger

#19
March 27, 2007, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on March 27, 2007, 07:36:09 PM
Thought you'd buckle.

But so soon.

For shame.

How long can semantic assfuckery stay interesting?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞

#20
March 27, 2007, 07:49:30 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2007, 07:46:34 PM
Quote from: Netaungrot on March 27, 2007, 07:36:09 PM
Thought you'd buckle.

But so soon.

For shame.

How long can semantic assfuckery stay interesting?

As long as otherwise intelligent chaps continue insisting on ridiculous definitions.

Choice = doing something.

:lulz:
P E R   A S P E R A   A D   A S T R A

Random Probability

#21
March 27, 2007, 11:32:45 PM
Hey, Netaungrot.  Why don't you go see what you can fit in your ass?

Just saying.....

B_M_W

#22
March 28, 2007, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: Random Probability on March 27, 2007, 11:32:45 PM
Hey, Netaungrot.  Why don't you go see what you can fit in your ass?

Just saying.....

RP...geez....

BMW,

Doesn't HATE the guy.

Well, no more than any other person.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

Random Probability

#23
March 28, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on March 28, 2007, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: Random Probability on March 27, 2007, 11:32:45 PM
Hey, Netaungrot.  Why don't you go see what you can fit in your ass?

Just saying.....

RP...geez....

BMW,

Doesn't HATE the guy.

Well, no more than any other person.
That wasn't hate.  That was love!  I was just asking him to entertain us.....

Jeez....

RP,
Basking in the warm glow of my own hate.  Love = Hate, right?  I get them confused all the time.

B_M_W

#24
March 28, 2007, 01:58:05 AM
Quote from: Random Probability on March 28, 2007, 12:46:35 AM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on March 28, 2007, 12:10:22 AM
Quote from: Random Probability on March 27, 2007, 11:32:45 PM
Hey, Netaungrot.  Why don't you go see what you can fit in your ass?

Just saying.....

RP...geez....

BMW,

Doesn't HATE the guy.

Well, no more than any other person.
That wasn't hate.  That was love!  I was just asking him to entertain us.....

Jeez....

RP,
Basking in the warm glow of my own hate.  Love = Hate, right?  I get them confused all the time.

Heh.
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

Michal

#25
March 28, 2007, 06:57:15 PM Last Edit: March 28, 2007, 07:00:59 PM by Michal
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2007, 07:42:06 AM
Quote from: Michal on March 27, 2007, 05:17:24 AM
I agree with teh Beemer, freedom is not an object, to be given and taken away, it's something everyone has, even if they have no idea how to use it.

Bullpoopoo.

Freedom is something you sieze.  And you give the people you're siezing it from a fucking rupture. 



Mm. I suppose that's exactly what I'm doing IRL, now that I think about it. I'm daydreaming about cussing out my mom who doesn't even let me use the word "poop" as an expletive.
Reverend-Saint Michal, KSC
Psychotik Lobster Cabal
Guardian of the Eternal Loogie
Sporadic Asshat, Minor Annoyance

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerFreedom is something you seize.  And you give the people you're seizing it from a fucking rupture.

The Good Reverend Roger

#26
March 28, 2007, 07:17:40 PM
Quote from: Michal on March 28, 2007, 06:57:15 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 27, 2007, 07:42:06 AM
Quote from: Michal on March 27, 2007, 05:17:24 AM
I agree with teh Beemer, freedom is not an object, to be given and taken away, it's something everyone has, even if they have no idea how to use it.

Bullpoopoo.

Freedom is something you sieze.  And you give the people you're siezing it from a fucking rupture. 




Mm. I suppose that's exactly what I'm doing IRL, now that I think about it. I'm daydreaming about cussing out my mom who doesn't even let me use the word "poop" as an expletive.

Try "poomp".
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

P3nT4gR4m

#27
March 28, 2007, 07:21:06 PM
Try using "cunt" for a while then offer "shit" as an alternative.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
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Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
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Michal

#28
March 28, 2007, 07:57:16 PM
I've tried "poomp", and she's decided that she'll dock my allowance if she hears me swearing, or hears any swearwords in my music.

*snarls, paces in cage*
Reverend-Saint Michal, KSC
Psychotik Lobster Cabal
Guardian of the Eternal Loogie
Sporadic Asshat, Minor Annoyance

Quote from: The Good Reverend RogerFreedom is something you seize.  And you give the people you're seizing it from a fucking rupture.

LMNO

#29
March 28, 2007, 07:58:05 PM
I hope you're planning a big party when you finally get the fuck out of there.
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