BIP for Kids (Johnny Learns About the World)

[Ambassador KAOS]

interesting.  Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.

forgive the bluntness of the following:

1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?

2.  Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?

1. The idea that this could be adult propaganda as well would probably indicate that the correct age range should probably be whoever is ready to recieve it, be they child adult, or otherwise. Putting it in simple terms is only going to make it more palletable and encourage outside the box thinking. 

2. Adding a forward would probably depend on the context it is to be presented in.

If it was to be read to young children the parent or teacher would likely provide an appropriate forward.  If it was to be left to be purviewed in public places, the reader would likely decide for themself what it meant.

I endorse keeping the grammar low level for these reasons.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Cain, you want to fix this shit?

[Cain]

I don't think I can, except for in the most obvious way.  The permissions all seem to be set up correctly...the only other way would be to hide the forum from guests.  Maybe.

[Thurnez Isa]

interesting.  Jenne, I am very interested in your opinions.

forgive the bluntness of the following:

1. What do you think the correct age range/reading level of the audience should be?

2.  Should this book be for forward thinkers, or to be subersive, like Sendak or Silverstein?

1. The idea that this could be adult propaganda as well would probably indicate that the correct age range should probably be whoever is ready to recieve it, be they child adult, or otherwise. Putting it in simple terms is only going to make it more palletable and encourage outside the box thinking. 

2. Adding a forward would probably depend on the context it is to be presented in.

If it was to be read to young children the parent or teacher would likely provide an appropriate forward.  If it was to be left to be purviewed in public places, the reader would likely decide for themself what it meant.

I endorse keeping the grammar low level for these reasons.

no one cares about your opinion
you've lost that privilage a long time ago

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I don't think I can, except for in the most obvious way.  The permissions all seem to be set up correctly...the only other way would be to hide the forum from guests.  Maybe.

Not worth it.

Let's just flame the piss out of him.  Or replace his posts with Dick Cheney quotes.

[Messier Undertree]

Let's just flame the piss out of him.  Or replace his posts with Dick Cheney quotes.

on the Dick Cheney quotes.

[Jasper]

I would read the DC quotes.

[nurbldoff]

Neat...

I might have a go at this (the illustratin' part) if it's still on.

[LMNO]

Sho' 'nuff.


I can write out better descriptors of the pages, or you can just have at it.

[nurbldoff]

If you want, that might make it easier. What about style, do you think it should be fairly detailed or simple? Maybe cartoonish or more "naive", childrens book style? Would you like large, whole page images or just small ones? What about color?

Not saying I can do all of that, but I could try...

[Jenne]

Could I interject?

I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go.  That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.

[AFK]

I'd stay away from cartoonish.  I think Eric Carle's stuff is a good reference point.  Simple yet engaging.  I'm probably not helping.  shutting up now. 

[nurbldoff]

Could I interject?

I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go.  That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.

Sounds reasonable. It also means more work for the illustrator, but hey, I volunteered!

I have zero experience with drawing for kids, btw.

[nurbldoff]

I'd stay away from cartoonish.  I think Eric Carle's stuff is a good reference point.  Simple yet engaging.  I'm probably not helping.  shutting up now. 

Simple perhaps, but I bet there's a lot of work behind it.

[Jenne]

Could I interject?

I think making the pictures more complex and visually appealing, perhaps with hidden metaphors, is the best way to go.  That makes the text richer, gives it more context if you will, and the visual appeal will eventually stimulate the doublespeak of the rest of it.

Sounds reasonable. It also means more work for the illustrator, but hey, I volunteered!

I have zero experience with drawing for kids, btw.

Don't draw for the kids.  Draw for the material.  LMNO's words had a certain...what's the phrase I'm looking for?...appeal to the ideals of the movement.  They are simple but yet much more complex than you'd take them for.

So, if the pictures could on the outside seem very simple, but still hold inside them a double, triple, even quadruple meaning, then you illustrate the ideas behind the words.  For example, take the bird page--you have a simple bird, somewhat monochromatic to begin with.  Then you have the same bird on the next page, but shown in a different perspective to be much more complex, yet still retaining the qualities that were shown originally on the previous page.

Does that make any sense?