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Re: Disreality
« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2007, 02:20:06 am »
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Re: Disreality
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2007, 03:16:06 pm »
Scientific Fact: A few days of sleep deprivation induces hallucinations comprable to LSD.

Cannot compare this directly to LSD, having not tried it. But being awake for 50 hours straight, I did have weird feelings of someone standing right at the edge of my peripheral vision.

Not really hallucinating, just getting hyper paranoid.

Last week, I was zoning out a bit due to sleep deprivation, but that only really resulted in making bright colours feel more real, and a desire to listen to shit music.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2007, 06:24:33 am »
Scientific Fact False: A few days of sleep deprivation induces hallucinations comprable to LSD.

Fixed.

Having used plenty of LSD in my days of depravity and a plethora of other drugs AND having spent several days on sleep deprivation I know what both do.  You WILL hallucinate if you spend days awake but to say it is even similar to an LSD trip is a total misconception of both.  sleep deprivation produces slightly plausible hallucinations such as minor auditories like hearing a door shut when it didn't happen, seeing a glipse mermaid when you look out to sea, shadows that appear to move in the corner of one's eye, etc.

LSD in any decent dose can transform the entire world making one believe a cartoon in a poster on the wall suddenly comes to life and starts interacting with it's environment or that one retreats down a shower drain crossing a dimensional barrier to cmmunicate with alien beings, etc. What's more, a person under the effects of LSD (especially if they are less experienced with it's use) is much less likely to question the believability of the hallucination and simply accept it as truth where people suffering slep deprivation will often know that they are hallucinating and do their best to keep their wits about them.  Further, I don't believe full tactile hallucinations can be achieved with sleep deprivation alone (IE not having other mental dissorders present) as I've never experienced it, read of it or had it reported to me.

Do not take this post as pro-drug.  I'm not pro or anti drug, and I personally feel drugs are a waste of time and money but are a vallid indulgence like smoking a cigar or a shot of fine bourbon, or simply being lazy at the beach; ie something to do when you've legitamately earned a vacation (if it's your thing) but not part of daily life.
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Re: Disreality
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2007, 05:09:52 pm »
Thing is, disreality is NOT enjoyable, at all.  You wouldn't want this trip, for all the "shneato" experiences in the world.  You don't go SEEKING disreality.  It's the shit that happens to you when you're caught in the maelstrom that is the royally fucked up in this world.

life + fubar = disreality

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2007, 11:28:22 pm »
Thing is, disreality is NOT enjoyable, at all.  You wouldn't want this trip, for all the "shneato" experiences in the world.  You don't go SEEKING disreality.  It's the shit that happens to you when you're caught in the maelstrom that is the royally fucked up in this world.

life + fubar = disreality

Only until you learn to love it.

What you call disreality I would lump reality in with. Reality is just another shade of direaltiy, if you will.

Yeah sure there's the barstool but all you really know is something you were expecting just smacked you in the face.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2007, 11:55:45 pm »
Disreality can be grim and depressing, but there are spiritual and magical highs too, imo.

Scientific Fact: A few days of sleep deprivation induces hallucinations comprable to LSD.
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Re: Disreality
« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2007, 03:20:49 am »
Thing is, disreality is NOT enjoyable, at all.  You wouldn't want this trip, for all the "shneato" experiences in the world.  You don't go SEEKING disreality.  It's the shit that happens to you when you're caught in the maelstrom that is the royally fucked up in this world.

life + fubar = disreality

Only until you learn to love it.

What you call disreality I would lump reality in with. Reality is just another shade of direaltiy, if you will.

Yeah sure there's the barstool but all you really know is something you were expecting just smacked you in the face.

What's a face anyroad?

That's true, because in the end, that's the coping mechanism.  Still gets fucked up sideways half the time, but yeah, accepting it as part of reality is the way to not go homocidal.  Reality Mach II = disreality.

I know there's realms beyond this as well...and the whimpy lil whiny bitch in me hopes I NEVAR come to know them.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #22 on: May 01, 2007, 07:51:38 am »
Scientific Fact False: A few days of sleep deprivation induces hallucinations comprable to LSD.

Fixed.

Having used plenty of LSD in my days of depravity and a plethora of other drugs AND having spent several days on sleep deprivation I know what both do.  You WILL hallucinate if you spend days awake but to say it is even similar to an LSD trip is a total misconception of both.  sleep deprivation produces slightly plausible hallucinations such as minor auditories like hearing a door shut when it didn't happen, seeing a glipse mermaid when you look out to sea, shadows that appear to move in the corner of one's eye, etc.

LSD in any decent dose can transform the entire world making one believe a cartoon in a poster on the wall suddenly comes to life and starts interacting with it's environment or that one retreats down a shower drain crossing a dimensional barrier to cmmunicate with alien beings, etc. What's more, a person under the effects of LSD (especially if they are less experienced with it's use) is much less likely to question the believability of the hallucination and simply accept it as truth where people suffering slep deprivation will often know that they are hallucinating and do their best to keep their wits about them.  Further, I don't believe full tactile hallucinations can be achieved with sleep deprivation alone (IE not having other mental dissorders present) as I've never experienced it, read of it or had it reported to me.

Do not take this post as pro-drug.  I'm not pro or anti drug, and I personally feel drugs are a waste of time and money but are a vallid indulgence like smoking a cigar or a shot of fine bourbon, or simply being lazy at the beach; ie something to do when you've legitamately earned a vacation (if it's your thing) but not part of daily life.


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Re: Disreality
« Reply #23 on: May 02, 2007, 09:41:24 am »
first, felix: :lol:

second, jenne: thanks for writing this! it's kinda refreshing to read something that really tries to explain something completely unrelated to the "think for yourself / stand up" pieces we usually find in this subforum, yet is still closely related to discordia and chaos. (though i suppose Silly's writings might have been along these lines as well, but they were long so i haven't read them, yet)

your "disreality NOT unreality" reminds me of the lyrics to a song, Hallucinogen - Demention:

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and yet not insane. Think of a circle with a fine split in it. At one end there's
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Re: Disreality
« Reply #24 on: May 08, 2007, 02:31:10 pm »
Very cool, thanks for that 000.  I think it's a concept definitely best NOT lived with, but if you do, best defined before you off yourself.  Or ignored.  Whichever suits best.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2009, 07:06:31 pm »
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Re: Disreality
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2009, 07:11:19 pm »
Ah, yes.

Not sure if it relates, but in Chapel Perilous, the cause of disreality isn't that the universe has suddenly become strange, but because your interpretation of the universe doesn't work right, anymore.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2009, 07:42:49 pm »
I think, now, looking back, I believe that to be the case.

Wheras before, I saw outside events shaping my inner reality, I think the "map" has changed and I'm no longer even in the building.

Does that make any sense?

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2009, 07:44:17 pm »
Yup.  That shit can fuck you up.

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Re: Disreality
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2009, 07:51:59 pm »
Scientific Fact: A few days of sleep deprivation induces hallucinations comprable to LSD.

Cannot compare this directly to LSD, having not tried it. But being awake for 50 hours straight, I did have weird feelings of someone standing right at the edge of my peripheral vision.

Not really hallucinating, just getting hyper paranoid.

Hypnagogia. Actually, you *can* get to the point of pretty vivid hallucinations from that. Far before that, though, you will start perceiving arbitrary things as faces and voices (that are neither). I've had pretty intense hypnagogia after 50 hours combined with binaurals (which in my case I used in order to induce it).


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