Enough

[Deepthroat Chopra]

Sheesh! That BMW has an answer for everything!

Try and explain this one...A giant Virgin spotted in Ohio:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/OHWINmary.html

Get busy, brainiac!

[B_M_W]

Sheesh! That BMW has an answer for everything!

Try and explain this one...A giant Virgin spotted in Ohio:

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/OHWINmary.html

Get busy, brainiac!

Looks like a rural american attempt at making high art.

You keep loosing points.

The only thing that holds me back is your screen name, a nice satire of a new age fraud.

[Deepthroat Chopra]

Close enough. You get a high distinction.

I'm still a believer in the cheese sandwich though.

I particularly love how that article has the headline "World's Largest Virgin Mary Statue", and then, it's first sentence says "This is, in fact, not the world's largest Virgin Mary statue -- we've seen larger -- but it's still impressive."

Virgin worshipping wankers.

[B_M_W]

Close enough. You get a high distinction.

I'm still a believer in the cheese sandwich though.

I don't needed you to tell me I was right.

I have empirical scientific evidence. Which overrules allegory and speculation.

[Deepthroat Chopra]

Anyway, Felix, sorry to get distracted.

Are you saying that because there's no scientific proof of paranormal phenomena, they therefore don't exist?

[Deepthroat Chopra]

BMW: "The only thing that holds me back is your screen name, a nice satire of a new age fraud."

Would Tupac Chopra have been better or worse?

[B_M_W]

BMW: "The only thing that holds me back is your screen name, a nice satire of a new age fraud."

Would Tupac Chopra have been better or worse?

Worse.

[Cain]

Meditation /= paranormal.  Not only is there a decent understanding of the processes behind meditation, NOTHING paranormal will be taught at your local martial arts club, up to and including Dim Mak.  Get over it already.

Is the Universe weirder than we think?  Yes.  Are their processes behind some of the stuff that happens?  Yes.  Am I too stupid to understand some of these processes?  Yes.  However, I draw the line at attributing them to anything, least of all a god or "spirits".

It reminds me of the tin foil hat brigade I hang around with while not here.  Its almost amusing, because to the skeptics I am a believer, whereas the believers call me a skeptic.  So long as there is evidence, you cannot deny something is happening (and if there is no evidence, then STFU, go away and find some).  What that is though, remains to be determined.  Its like the tards who see the hand of the NWO/Satanic conspiracy in everything - from the handshake Putin gives Bush to the latest terrorist atrocity.  I always ask how they know this, or about outside, random events.  It seems, according to every nut in the world who thinks he understands what is going on, RANDOM EVENTS DO NOT EXIST.  And that goes from the CIA to the guy in Montana preparing to fight the alien reptoid invasion with his pipe bombs and shotgun, to the Pope to al-Sadr.  There is nothing random, everything is predetermined, once we find what is hidden we then know everything and can proceed from there.

Except to us, apparently.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I think the problem with meditation is it has the potential to get really weird, really quick. For some reason the most readily available plane of exploration (the inside of your head) seems to be the road least travelled. Most people seem more than content to ignore the source of their thoughts, emotions and urges and just let it happen.

Then someone makes the fatal mistake of getting curious. When confronted, in an area with no physical dimension, by something which, to all intents and purposes, appears to be a whole nother consciousness or group thereof, a fairly typical assumption seems to involve god and angels or some bullshit along those lines. Couple this with the fact that at least half the literature available on the subject uses this kind of terminology and it aint difficult to see why theres such a situation.

In terms of psychic exploration we're still stuck back in the days before Galileo. The mind is flat, all the planets revolve about it.... Then there's assholes like me who refuse to take anyones word for anything. We've had a fucking look inside, fiddled about with bits of it, communicated with gods and angels. No big deal. All you gotta do is sail over the edge of the world.

[Dr. Cow Ass]

Some consider the paranormal/ occult phenomena as science that has yet to be explained. I consider this the most logical because if it's not a science of the physical world then it of course would a science of the mental. As far as humanity perceives, there's really no difference between the two. Mastering and learning the secrets of one will have the same results as the other.

I can't consider myself an ape, mabey a parasitic cell in global bacteria disease, but not an ape. Apes don't trash the world and organize order to control other apes. Sure, sometimes they may ban together, but they never enslaved one another. Humans are a slightly intelligent virus that's slowly sucking the earth of its resources and life. You look at the world from space and see the major cities, they don't like pinnacles of engineering and process. They look like dark, grey bacteria that spit smoke and smell like a nasty infection (especially LA.)

At least that's one view. 

Paranormal occurrences are never proven.  Find one example of anything spiritual being backed with reputable hard evidence, and I'll delete this rant consider a spirituality.

What about that toasted cheese sandwich that had the Virgin Mary's face on it?

I believe that one was genuine.

God's or spirits are just one way( a very simple one at that) of trying to explain something we don't understand. The rising and setting of the sun along with rain and weather were one time considered acts of Gods. I don't necessarily think all religion and spirituality is wrong, they just don't know what they have in front of them and they're definitely giving it the wrong label.

That's why I liked Phil Hine and Pete Carrol. They also talk alot of bullshit, but at least they try remove the mystery and turn the occult into more of a scientific process rather than system of religious faith.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Meditation /= paranormal.  Not only is there a decent understanding of the processes behind meditation, NOTHING paranormal will be taught at your local martial arts club, up to and including Dim Mak.  Get over it already.

Is the Universe weirder than we think?  Yes.  Are their processes behind some of the stuff that happens?  Yes.  Am I too stupid to understand some of these processes?  Yes.  However, I draw the line at attributing them to anything, least of all a god or "spirits".

It reminds me of the tin foil hat brigade I hang around with while not here.  Its almost amusing, because to the skeptics I am a believer, whereas the believers call me a skeptic.  So long as there is evidence, you cannot deny something is happening (and if there is no evidence, then STFU, go away and find some).  What that is though, remains to be determined.  Its like the tards who see the hand of the NWO/Satanic conspiracy in everything - from the handshake Putin gives Bush to the latest terrorist atrocity.  I always ask how they know this, or about outside, random events.  It seems, according to every nut in the world who thinks he understands what is going on, RANDOM EVENTS DO NOT EXIST.  And that goes from the CIA to the guy in Montana preparing to fight the alien reptoid invasion with his pipe bombs and shotgun, to the Pope to al-Sadr.  There is nothing random, everything is predetermined, once we find what is hidden we then know everything and can proceed from there.

Except to us, apparently.

This seems directed at me and I wasn't making that claim when I brought up meditation. 

I was only responding to Felix's ridiculous position that there is no science that backs "anything spiritual." 

I know he meant "anything paranormal" and I was seizing on the opportunity to make a distinction between spirituality and religion.  There's a lot of paranormal bullshit to both, but the former includes philosophical positions, clarifying one's sense of identity and purpose, and IMO, meditation.

You're right,Äînothing paranormal about meditation.  Which means there's nothing paranormal about some spirituality.  Maybe I'm being a semantic asshole, maybe Felix was leaning too hard on his thesaurus.

[Cain]

Sorry, the first paragraph was.  The rest was general ranting.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Sorry, the first paragraph was.  The rest was general ranting.

It's all good, I could have been more clear as to what I was referring to.

It did kind of appear I was insinuating that. 

[LMNO]

I'm trying to figure out if I should build up steam to make a "spirituality is not religion" post.

[P3nT4gR4m]

IMO "spirituality" is one of those icky words. It's got "spirit" in it ffs. I refuse to tar my self with that brush.

It seemed to grow out of people trying to leave the negative trappings of 'religion' behind. Unfortunately the same kind of tards took over the movement and now it's hard to tell them apart.

Spirituality is just like religion now, but much more vague and gullible (no - not open minded - I said gullible)