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Started by guest7654, May 17, 2007, 12:17:40 PM

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guest7654

from http://www.nw0.info 8)


only halfway done but the parallels are there.....

Manly P Hall - The Lost Keys Of Freemasonry Or The Secret Of Hiram Abiff.txt 


QuoteThe world is a great prison; its bars are the Unknown.  And each is a
prisoner until, at last, he earns the right to tear these bars from
their moldering sockets, and pass, illuminated and inspired, into
the darkness, which becomes lighted by that presence.  All peoples
seek the temple where God dwells, where the spirit of the great
Truth illuminates the shadows of human ignorance, but they know not
which way to turn nor where this temple is. The mist of dogma
surrounds them. ...........

QuoteIn ******** is concealed the mystery of creation, the answer to the problem of existence, and the path the student must tread in order to join those who are really the living powers behind the thrones of modern national and international affairs.  .....


QuoteWhat is the meaning of this mystic maze of symbols, rites and
rituals? THINK! What does life mean, with the criss-crossings of
human relationship, the endless pageantry of qualities masquerading
in a carnival of fools? THINK! What is the plan behind it all,
and who the planner? Where dwells the Great Architect, and what is
the tracing board upon which he designs? THINK! What is the human
soul, and why the endless yearning to ends unknown, along pathways
where each must wander unaccompanied? Why mind, why soul, why
spirit, and in truth, why anything? THINK! Is there an answer? If
so, where will the truth be found? Think............
.

QuoteThere comes a time in the growth of every living individual thing
when it realizes with dawning consciousness that it is a prisoner.
While apparently free to move and have its being, the struggling
life cognizes through ever greater vehicles its own limitations.
It is at this point that man cries out with greater insistence to
be liberated from the binding ties which, though invisible to
mortal eyes, still chain him with bonds far more terrible than
those of any physical prison. ............

LMNO

Criticism:  The above implies a higher power which can imprison, and even higer power that can liberate, and claims one can actually escape their cells.

AFK

See, that last quote is I think how Laz summed up the BIP.  It takes the prison metaphor too far I think.  I also think the idea of the bars being experiences, biology, envrionment, etc., is key.  And what distinguishes it, among other things, from these passages you've posted.  Sure, some of the bars are put in place by forces not of the person's control, but others are.  So I think there is a certain level of autonomy that can be gained once the BIP is recognized.  This version, however, seems to be bereft of any autonomy, and as LMNO points out, reliant upon a higher power or entity. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

guest7654

Quote from: LMNO on May 17, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
Criticism:  The above implies a higher power which can imprison, and even higer power that can liberate, and claims one can actually escape their cells.

So does the BIP.
Says there will just be more bars.

The above also makes the point
QuoteReality forever eludes us.

and
QuoteMan is climbing an endless flight of steps, with his eyes fixed
upon the goal at the top.

well, it is well written either way and worth a read

Cramulus

Who is the one who built the prison?
Who is the one who can let you out?
Who is the one who makes the day and the night and the grass green?


I don't think a 'higher power' is necessarily an external power.

Cain


East Coast Hustle

Quote from: rzasthole on May 17, 2007, 01:49:47 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 17, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
Criticism:  The above implies a higher power which can imprison, and even higer power that can liberate, and claims one can actually escape their cells.

So does the BIP.
Says there will just be more bars.

show me where anything in the BIP literature makes any claim of there being a "higher power".
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

guest7654

Well what is your definition of higher  power?  Higher than self?  If there is none then what is the prison?  What are the bars?  You overcome bars, you overcome the prison then the self is the highest power and ergo you are god.  Like Jesus and the Old Testament said....."Ye are gods." 
Just pondering.....

Cain


guest7654

Roll em.  If you cannot overcome the prison then isn't it a higher power?

Cain

Only if you're playing loose and fast with accepted terms to such a degree they break down and lose their meanings entirely.

But hey, whats philosophical rigour compared to pithy one liners and faux-wisdom?  That stuff may work on the cabbages, but its because they're morons incapable of critical thought.

guest7654

Ok, I did just go off and spit that shit out without much thought.  Please to forgive.......Anyway, there are striking similarities of the two even if one implies a higher power and one doesn't.

Cain

I disagree.  Its like saying Theology and Physics are nearly the same, because both go into into areas with overlap, sometimes.  By your definition, everything from airplanes to the sun could be considered gods, in some sense.

Which is really fucking stupid.

East Coast Hustle

I dunno. I made the same analogy about god being the individual, but I don't take that to mean that everyone is their own higher power. higher than what? it just wouldn't make sense.
Rabid Colostomy Hole Jammer of the Coming Apocalypse™

The Devil is in the details; God is in the nuance.


Some yahoo yelled at me, saying 'GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH', and I thought, "I'm feeling generous today.  Why not BOTH?"

Cain

But your argument isn't characteristic derived, as far as I can tell.  It seems more of a precept, or style of thinking.