law -- decision making -- flawed perceptions

[LHX]

law allows a lot of crooked motherfuckers get away with a lot of bullshit


far too often i have seen people be victimized in public by somebody who would get their ass beat by a passer-by if there was no 'protective force' preventing this kind of vigilante justice


taking action against perceived injustice in turn results in judgment and possible persecution



in opposition to this - if this 'protective force' was not in place - a lot of frustrated people would be shooting from the hip at anything that even flinched



on a planet where dramatic decisions are made based on flawed perceptions
it seems like the only solutions are:
a) get rid of the flawed perceptions
b) make adjustments to the decision-making process


there is no verifiable way to get rid of flawed perceptions - there is no way for me to prove to you that my perception is not flawed (because it obviously is)
but
two people can agree on a approach to take to this situation

adjusting the way they react to situations


other than that - the only way to implement any reasonable social change is hellfire

however you perceive that


volcano / earthquake / weather / etc

[tyrannosaurus vex]

the right personality/psychographical test for potential police officers might work out okay.

the protective force is also probably an illusion.

in all likelihood, you'd get away with kicking somebody's ass if they were being an asshole to somebody else, as long as the guy doesn't know you and a cop doesn't actually see you do it (or you can outrun the cop).

[LHX]

no doubt

but still these kind of situations are about as enjoyable as stepping in shit


prevented from doing what you perceive to be the right thing because the entire situation you are in seems wrong




pure fucked

[P3nT4gR4m]

I hate beating up assholes because, ultimately, I'd much rather just kill them and I get worried that I might get carried away and do this, thus incriminating myself.

There's a fine line between 'reasonable force' and 'party on his face'

Too fkin fine sometimes.

[Jasper]

Too true.  And don't anyone bring cosmic justice into this, because it doesn't fit.  This is about correcting malevolent people's behavior to make society better for everyone.

Suggest some sort of federal law or even constitutional right that allows violent crime witnesses more leeway in meting out justice.

[Darth Cupcake]

MOAR VIGILANTISM! That is what this world needs!

However, I feel like even if the "protective laws" mentioned were slackened a bit to permit vigilantism, we'd still run into some walls with it.

In my neighborhood, there's gangs and apathy. So, since I am not a member of a gang or dating a gang member, no one would step in for a little vigilante justice if I were to be attacked walking back from my car at night. Apathy.

But also fear. If you step in when you see something going on, you are then bringing yourself into it. So if some dude was beating the shit out of me to get my wallet, and some other dude stepped in on my behalf, he's now exposing himself to the danger of becoming a target.

Back to apathy, there's the social attitude of "it's not my problem/business." People tend to feel that it isn't their problem/business to interfere, even if it's a customer yelling at a sales clerk who did nothing wrong. You can feel badly for the sales clerk, but most people won't say anything, even though there is no legal protection against saying something to someone who's a dick. It's just the social bubble mentality.

[LHX]

vigilante justice is great

elevating yourself to a level where you acknowledge that the universe will eventually beat you like a dog is also great


it can make you less likely to hesitate on seeking to deliver vigilante justice

[Triple Zero]

but i can relate to silly's argument as well (not from experience though) -- what if you hit too hard?

[LHX]

but i can relate to silly's argument as well (not from experience though) -- what if you hit too hard?

then youre fucked

[Jasper]

There's always an apparent amount of neccesary force.

Never kill someone who wasn't endangering lives.

Mistakes happen though.