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Started by LHX, June 25, 2007, 05:20:08 AM

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#15
June 28, 2007, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 11:00:26 PM
Hmm. I recognize no such difference. How do you determine "base-level stress?" Should people who live (for example) in Iraq or the occupied West Bank/Gaza never father children, in your opinion?

You are obviously missing the point.  I'm talking about the environment the parents create, not the environment that the world creates that is out of the parents' hands.  Thus why I gave the example of a parent beating a child just because they dropped a spoon.  "Base-level stress" is obviously going to be different in different situations.  No, of course people in the West Bank/Gaza, Iraq, Kosovo, North Korea, etc., etc. should be able to have children.  I am talking about what the parents can control, the home environment. 

QuoteIf the worst thing that ever happened to you is not being able to tie your shoe, that's a significant, perhaps crippling, stressor.

Where did I say that was the worst thing to happen to a child?  It was an example to contrast with the example of a clumsy child about to get pummeled by an impatient, piece-of-crap Parent.

QuoteConversely, when a small child gets a tiny little cut, what would be a meaningless scratch to an adult, the stress level is similar to an adult getting a very deep one that requires stitches.

When someone screams, and tells you they are in pain, never fret about degree, or what it may seem. Those are your illusions. Most people do not lie about these sorts of things. You have to believe in the pain.

Okay, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to get at with this.  I have a daughter thank you very much and understand the theories of relativity when it comes to child rearing. 

QuoteI'm not going to be a dick and say that therefore it's a good idea to beat your children so the "little things" won't hurt them as badly, however. I agree that a parent must provide some level of consistency, however, that consistency is a lie as sure as Santa Claus.

How is the consistency a lie?  Please expand upon this. 

QuoteAs a parent, I see it as my job to provide enough truth so as not to cripple my children, and enough lies so that they may have a chance of surviving the truth.

It is not an easy job, and it is absolutely one that takes planning and arrangement.

Correct.  And when you have a couple of dopes who are smart enough to put peg A in hole B but not smart enough to plan the rest of it out, you get suckage and failure and a kid who already has the deck stacked against him. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Torodung

#16
June 29, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on June 28, 2007, 01:45:38 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 11:00:26 PM
Hmm. I recognize no such difference. How do you determine "base-level stress?" Should people who live (for example) in Iraq or the occupied West Bank/Gaza never father children, in your opinion?

You are obviously missing the point.
I am willfully missing the point.  :evil:

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I'm talking about the environment the parents create, not the environment that the world creates that is out of the parents' hands.  Thus why I gave the example of a parent beating a child just because they dropped a spoon.
I've never heard of this practice. Beat with a spoon, sure. Beat because they bent a spoon, sure.

Bent it with telepathy? Sure. Beaten telepathically.

Corporal punishment for dropping spoons seems a little silly. Did this happen to you?

Only time I ever got smacked was for mouthing off. As you can see it was little deterrent. If smacking kids worked, I would be all for it.

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QuoteWhen someone screams, and tells you they are in pain, never fret about degree, or what it may seem. Those are your illusions. Most people do not lie about these sorts of things. You have to believe in the pain.

Okay, I'm not quite sure what you are trying to get at with this.
Has your kid ever thrown a temper tantrum because of something you did? What on earth did you think was going on? We all hurt our kids. We have to.

QuoteI have a daughter thank you very much and understand the theories of relativity when it comes to child rearing.
Ahh. So, what happened to her as she approached the speed of light?

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QuoteI'm not going to be a dick and say that therefore it's a good idea to beat your children so the "little things" won't hurt them as badly, however. I agree that a parent must provide some level of consistency, however, that consistency is a lie as sure as Santa Claus.

How is the consistency a lie?  Please expand upon this.
Consult your pineal gland.

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QuoteAs a parent, I see it as my job to provide enough truth so as not to cripple my children, and enough lies so that they may have a chance of surviving the truth.

It is not an easy job, and it is absolutely one that takes planning and arrangement.
Correct.  And when you have a couple of dopes who are smart enough to put peg A in hole B but not smart enough to plan the rest of it out, you get suckage and failure and a kid who already has the deck stacked against him. 
No. Then it's an abortion, even if they choose to have the kid.
The only choice you're given is how best to burn
BURN BRIGHTLY

Torodung

#17
June 29, 2007, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2007, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 11:00:26 PM

Hmm. I recognize no such difference. How do you determine "base-level stress?" Should people who live (for example) in Iraq or the occupied West Bank/Gaza never father children, in your opinion?


No humans ANYWHERE should father children.

Fucking humans!
How human of you.
The only choice you're given is how best to burn
BURN BRIGHTLY

Torodung

#18
June 29, 2007, 07:43:20 AM
Unless, of course, by "suckage" you mean abortion.

Keep suckage legal.
The only choice you're given is how best to burn
BURN BRIGHTLY

hunter s.durden

#19
June 29, 2007, 04:57:12 PM
Roger's my dad, so he's a little bitter.
This space for rent.

Torodung

#20
June 29, 2007, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2007, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Hmm. What planet do you live on? I live on a giant ball of stress.

Stress is life. If there is no stress, you have died.

You lack Slack,Ñ¢, Jack.
What is that? And where can I get it?
The only choice you're given is how best to burn
BURN BRIGHTLY

The Good Reverend Roger

#21
June 30, 2007, 05:29:52 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 29, 2007, 07:41:42 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2007, 08:58:22 AM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 11:00:26 PM

Hmm. I recognize no such difference. How do you determine "base-level stress?" Should people who live (for example) in Iraq or the occupied West Bank/Gaza never father children, in your opinion?


No humans ANYWHERE should father children.

Fucking humans!
How human of you.

Shut it, jackass.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#22
June 30, 2007, 05:30:23 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 29, 2007, 07:50:25 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2007, 08:57:03 AM
Quote from: Torodung on June 27, 2007, 09:32:20 PM
Hmm. What planet do you live on? I live on a giant ball of stress.

Stress is life. If there is no stress, you have died.

You lack Slack,Ñ¢, Jack.
What is that? And where can I get it?

If you have to ask, you'll never understand the answer.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#23
June 30, 2007, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 29, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Consult your pineal gland.


You just went on the fail heap.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Torodung

#24
July 02, 2007, 05:59:18 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 30, 2007, 05:30:57 PM
Quote from: Torodung on June 29, 2007, 07:33:29 AM
Consult your pineal gland.


You just went on the fail heap.
We're all on the fail heap.
The only choice you're given is how best to burn
BURN BRIGHTLY

The Good Reverend Roger

#25
July 02, 2007, 06:02:10 AM
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

B_M_W

#26
July 02, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
One by one, we break the sheep from their Iron Bar Prisons and expand their imaginations, make them think for themselves. In turn, they break more from their prisons. Eventually, critical mass is reached. Our key word: Resolve. Evangelize with compassion and determination. And realize that there will be few in the beginning. We are hand picking our successors. They are the future of Discordianism. Let us guide our future with intelligence.

     --Reverse Brainwashing: A Guide http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=9801.0

6.5 billion Buddhas walking around.

99.xxxxxxx% forgot they are Buddha.

hunter s.durden

#27
July 02, 2007, 01:29:41 PM
Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on July 02, 2007, 01:02:57 PM
Don't you mean Outlandish?

Pssh.
Italics are sooooo last month.
This space for rent.

Rev. St. Syn, KSC (Ret.)

#28
July 31, 2007, 12:37:16 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on June 28, 2007, 08:58:22 AMFucking humans!
That's the problam right thar.
Synaptyclypse Generator Publishing Sect, POEE International Resource Center

Jasper

#29
August 03, 2007, 08:51:49 PM
Consult my what?
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