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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #105 on: July 23, 2007, 07:38:36 pm »
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #106 on: July 23, 2007, 07:40:28 pm »
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #107 on: July 23, 2007, 07:46:24 pm »
wtf is it with e-prime?

E-prime can help develop a habit of recognizing that perspective determines meaning - it facilitates understanding in communication.  If you don't want to have clearer communications, or think you can accomplish that habit without using e-prime, or just thrive on the chaos of people who insist on living in neatly packaged worlds of certainly blowing each other's kids up and would rather they not learn to listen to one another, then don't use it.
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« Reply #108 on: July 23, 2007, 07:57:28 pm »
whut?  And hello. 
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« Reply #109 on: July 23, 2007, 08:00:25 pm »
I thought I sent it to you already.

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you may have, but it might be on my GF's crashed laptop, or it might have been one of the random odd unrecoverable files on my hard drive.
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #110 on: July 23, 2007, 08:06:20 pm »
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #111 on: July 23, 2007, 09:03:48 pm »
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #112 on: July 23, 2007, 10:42:04 pm »
wtf is it with e-prime?

E-prime can help develop a habit of recognizing that perspective determines meaning - it facilitates understanding in communication.  If you don't want to have clearer communications, or think you can accomplish that habit without using e-prime, or just thrive on the chaos of people who insist on living in neatly packaged worlds of certainly blowing each other's kids up and would rather they not learn to listen to one another, then don't use it.

There are a number of valid critiques of E-Prime. It's certainly not the holy grail of communication theory.

One of the major problems with E-Prime is how it limits the range of expression available to an individual.  Most communicative theories work to make MORE options available. To suggest that E-Prime has some ultimate, mystical power on top of it already being a restrictive theory misses the point in a big way.

Watzlawick, Beavin, and Jackson's axioms of communication are widely regarded as basic foundational elements in communication theory and naturally have downsides to them as well.  But one of the main reasons you'll see Watzlawick in communication textbooks and not E-Prime is because the axioms ask you to broaden your perspective rather than narrow it.  This paper does an excellent job of putting it into a context not so different from these forums.
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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2007, 02:57:07 am »
There are a number of valid critiques of E-Prime. It's certainly not the holy grail of communication theory.

Agreed.

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« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2007, 04:38:08 am »

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« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2007, 07:46:20 am »
"until all seem to be one?"

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Re: e-prime sucks and so do you.
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2007, 01:26:47 pm »


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« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2007, 01:34:35 pm »
OFUK! It's Optimus Prime Minister!!!!!1!


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« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2007, 01:59:35 pm »
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« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2007, 06:39:56 pm »
ok..

e-prime = being excessively picky about what you say to avoid presenting your 'perception' as 'fact'.

o-prime = being an excessively big robot.
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