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e-prime sucks and so do you.

Started by tyrannosaurus vex, July 13, 2007, 04:55:00 PM

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u-prime

What I yell at my wife when she can't get the mower started. 

or

What she yells at me when she wants me to paint something in/on the house.   
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ez-prime. which is just like english, only you can make up your own pronouns in order to more accurately offend people.
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e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

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Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

ET-prime - being able to request a phone home no matter where you are or what state of consciousness you're in.
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Cramulus

#123
Quote from: Mangrove on July 24, 2007, 06:39:56 PM
e-prime = being excessively picky about what you say to avoid presenting your 'perception' as 'fact'.

o-prime = being an excessively big robot.

in my perception, that is a fact

AFK

f-prime,

used by such scholars as Andrew Dice Clay, Dave Chappelle, and Dave Attel. 
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#125
ass-prime = low income republicans who vote
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Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

USDA-Prime - The English language without the use of the adjective and noun combination "cheap meat"
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Bu🤠ns

Brie-Prime = eating watered down cheese on crackers in order to seem more fancy to others than you actually are.

QuackenBush

E' has nothing to do with peppering your communication with uncertainties like "it seems to me" and "perhaps."   It has everything to do with English without the verb "to be."  Make of that what you will.

One can speak with certainty using E'.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: QuackenBush on July 27, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
E' has nothing to do with peppering your communication with uncertainties like "it seems to me" and "perhaps."   It has everything to do with English without the verb "to be."  Make of that what you will.

One can speak with certainty using E'.

w00t
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

AFK

Quote from: QuackenBush on July 27, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
E' has nothing to do with peppering your communication with uncertainties like "it seems to me" and "perhaps."   It has everything to do with English without the verb "to be."  Make of that what you will.

One can speak with certainty using E'.

True, it's less to do with peppering, and more to do with asalting. 

Oh, and welcome.  You may want to pop by the Apple Talk forum and file a proper introduction. 
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Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on July 27, 2007, 04:37:53 PM
Quote from: QuackenBush on July 27, 2007, 04:28:39 PM
E' has nothing to do with peppering your communication with uncertainties like "it seems to me" and "perhaps."   It has everything to do with English without the verb "to be."  Make of that what you will.

True, it's less to do with peppering, and more to do with asalting.
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AFK

It appears to be Hammertime.  Perhaps not, but fuck it I'm gonna shake it regardless. 
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nurbldoff

Quote from: Buddhist_Monk_Wannabe on July 23, 2007, 01:11:48 PM
Quote from: nurbldoff on July 23, 2007, 04:08:54 AM
I'd say e-prime is mostly useful as an exercise and possibly as a tool, something to consider now and then as you speak or write (or think?). Though he didn't "invent" e-prime as such, Korzybski did point out the dangers of identifying different levels of abstraction with each other, something easily done using the "is of identity". The problem isn't solved just by avoiding the word "is", but it might be one way of making yourself aware of that you're identifying. Using e-prime all the time seems pointless though.

BMW: how would using E-prime make your writing less objective? I agree that scientific papers are rarely, if ever, written in strict e-prime, but on the other hand, I'd say they're a fair bit more e-primey than a typical newspaper. Lots of "we interpret as", "this indicates that", "is regarded as" etc... Generally, e.g. the bit where the experiment is described, "is" is abundant, as mostly this is a list of techniques used. But when the results are reported and discussed, the wordings usually gets much more careful, with "is" tempered with stuff like "in general", "under this/that assumption", etc. Although not e-prime by definition, it has much the same effect.

The RESULTS section, RESULTS people! As in you are reporting the direct results of whatever experiment you performed! There is not supposed to be ANY interpretation in results, only straight forward reporting with as little subjectivity as possible. Interpretation goes in your discussion and conclusion. If you fail to do this, not only does no one take you seriously, but you fail your scientific writing course.


While I agree that in an ideal world, this should be the case (and it's certainly what you should aim for), I don't think it's even possible to report results without in some way interpreting them. To start with, you always have some preconceived notion of what you're observing. This means you'll always be selective in what you see in the data. Then, you choose how to represent these data; plotting them or whatever. Rarely do not report ALL your data, but restrict yourself to what seems "relevant" or "meaningful", or your paper will likely be unreadable. There are always subjective choices and while those choices should be reported and motivated, it's practically impossible to be exhaustive, if not else because you're probably not aware of all of them.

That's why I think it's good to be somewhat careful about language even in your "results" section, because, if nothing else, it might draw attention to the fact that even the raw data went through the brains of real people on the way to publication. Even in a "hard" science as experimental physics (my field). I'm not saying it because otherwise, everyone else will interpret it as THE TROOF. I just think it's plain good for YUO.
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