Moral cohesion and the Discordian Society

[Triple Zero]

i think ratatosk is once again, riding a correct motorcycle.

also,

do you think we could label our n00bs into group1 and group2, and not tell them, or something?

[LMNO]

Um.  No.


That way lies explicit elitism, as opposed to the inhering implicity of elitism we already employ but often ignore.

[Triple Zero]

aww



(i was kidding, btw)

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

do you think we could label our n00bs into group1 and group2, and not tell them, or something?

They label themselves. Besides, even the most die hard Pinealist will be willing to adopt new memes if it means getting to actively participate in a BIG Discordian Attack.

LMNO gave a great example of how we already note the difference. The only thing I'd like to see modified is instead of saying STFU n00b, we PM them with "Hey would you like to join our special forces? Go read *insert our propaganda here* and we'll invite you to private board X where we plan attacks."

If they are more like group one, then we PM them with "Would you like to help us play with some heads? Go read *insert our propaganda here* and we'll invite you to a private boards X and Y where we plan attacks..."

Those who only show up on Board X, will (through association) probably get to join set Y at some point, and if nothing else, we redirect their lame posts to somewhere useful... to us.

[LMNO]

This is a pretty good idea, Rat.


I enjoin you to write up the appropriate propoganda for the budding Pinealist.

[Darth Cupcake]

Hey Cain -- I have only read the first post in this thread, and I want to read more, such as all the responses. But I am at work and actually have work to do and keep getting spotted on the forum, so I don't have much time or window today.

So I just wanted to say FUCK YES.

That was a fucking great post.

I will try to actually contribute something later, rather than just be back-slapping. But it deserves back-slapping. I'll stew in it while I work and be back later.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

This is a pretty good idea, Rat.


I enjoin you to write up the appropriate propoganda for the budding Pinealist.

I would be honored..... muhahahahahahahahahahaha

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Ok, this is a first pass at the forward to Occultus Forma Discordia (The Secrets of the Models of Discordianism). I think its a good introduction which might pique the interests of a Pinealist, while politely telling the Fluffy Bunny Discordian to please go play elsewhere. If they don't take the hint, then I think they leave themselves open for... well, the appropriate treatment (Cain, TGGR, this means YOU).

So here's the first quickie draft, please take a look at it and provide me with feedback. I'll be writing the treatise over the next few days and posting excerpts as Eris inspires them. This forward is intended to do three things:

1. Attract potential Discordians who are willing to use a Clue by Four as necessary.
2. Attract potential Discordians who are likely to be a Clue by Four (willing or not).
3. Dissuade the namby-pamby hippy Discordian from continuing down a path that will result in someone peeing in their bowl of Flax.

Please let me know your thoughts:

Occultus Forma Discordia
A Treatise on the Secrets of the Models of Discordianism

Forward

This is not The Truth of Discordianism. If you are looking for The Truth of Discordianism, you are a very silly person. This is not The Secret of Discordianism; if such a thing exists, you need to find it yourself. This is not even necessarily a True version of the Discordian vision as held by Omar, Mal-2, RAW or any other master of mayhem from the Early Days of Her Return. This is a treatise on an interpretation secrets of a model of Discordianism; particularly the model of Discordianism currently being used by this loose cabal of Chaoates which you have voluntarily stumbled into.

If you don,Äôt like what is written in these pages, then stop reading them. If you don,Äôt agree with our interpretations of models, then don,Äôt use them. If you simply want to run around spewing memes, then by all means don,Äôt let us stop you, just do it somewhere else. However, if you want to join our game, if you want to play with our toys, then assume, at least for the moment, that our game of Order hides a bigger game of Disorder. You can play or not, it,Äôs your choice. Do as Thou Will.

This document is designed to introduce you to our interpretation of a model. The model uses markers that you might be familiar with. However, don,Äôt confuse the marker with what the marker represents. A Fnord by any other name could still be a fnord (and a bit harder to trace back to Known Naughty NincomPOEEs). If you don,Äôt agree with the goals of the game (and the rules we,Äôre making up), then you probably won,Äôt want to play. So, before we waste any more of your time, let,Äôs talk about our goals.

We are a tribe of philosophers, hackers, theologians, magicians, scientists, artists, clowns, and similar maniacs who are intrigued with the possibility of modifying the thought processes of individuals,Ķ with our without their knowledge. If you firmly believe that the PD is a ,Äúhappy, hippy, everyone loves and accepts each other,Äù kind of book. Well, then you should probably stop reading right now. From our perspective, Eris rode on the back of Ares chariot, laughing and delighting in the chaos of war. If you don,Äôt want to explore that aspect of Chaos (as well as all the others), then take the blue pill and scamper off to some other Discordian forum. This doesn,Äôt mean you,Äôre wrong or right, it only means that you,Äôre not interested in our game. Do as Thou Will.

If you are of the opinion that Robert Anton Wilson, Mal-2 or Omar KNEW the truth,Ķ then you should probably go play elsewhere. Most of us have immense respect for those Chaoates that came before us, but we do not consider their word Truth or their ideas sacrosanct. Those great tricksters would be the first to tell you that neither they, nor their writings were to be considered as Sacred Cows. In Discordia there exists one Sacred Chao and she doesn,Äôt like competition.

This treatise is an introduction to our game, our ideas, our metaphors and our concepts. It is not written in E-Prime, though everything we write should be considered as perception and possibility,Ķ never as truth or fact. If you can,Äôt grasp this, then you,Äôre probably not up for the sort of games we play. If you don,Äôt like what you,Äôve read so far, then stop reading. This isn,Äôt Truth, it isn,Äôt FACT. We don,Äôt want your ,ÄúYou don,Äôt sound very Discordian,Äù responses. The art of Discordia exists in both Order and Disorder; Order and Disorder aren,Äôt enemies, only opposites.

If however, you are interested then we shall lay upon you some secrets of the models of Discordianism. We,Äôll take you beyond the memes, metaphors and Malaclypse, we,Äôll hone you to a fine point with which to prick the bum of the complacent, the self-satisfied, the Greyfaced, the Hunchbrain, the Pink, the Norm or whatever other name you want to call THEM.

It,Äôs up to you, Do as Thou Will.

Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
POEE of the Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal

[That One Guy]

Rata, that is so amazingly full of win that you deserve at LEAST a handful of internets. If that's how we greet the newbies, then I think we're going to get off to a good start - or at least have put up the disclaimer before the firestorm.

Looks great to me!

[Triple Zero]

0)

1) what TOG said

2) i love the way how you put some eris/discordia mystique PD-reminiscing stuff in there, that's a thing a lot of us seem to have lost, forgotten how, or simply never did anything with. but it's a very good way of putting the n00bs a bit at ease!

3) to replace all the n00bs-read-this threads with that post, IMO

[P3nT4gR4m]

That is so fucking win there isn't even any room for competition

[hooplala]

Holy Shit.

Cain, you fucking rock.  That's two seperate posts I've read by you today that made me want to full-on kiss you on the mouth.

I wish I had more to contribute to what you all have been doing lately, but for some reason my imagination seems to have completely dried up over the last four months or so . . . but I am waiting . . . soon SOMEthing will come out, and it will hit you all in the face like a Salazorian speedball.  I promise.  Until then I am dead weight making inane posts and thinking up 'STFU' memes. *sigh*

But, at any rate:  RAH.

[East Coast Hustle]

Rat, that was fucking awesome.

it needs it's own stickied thread, the question is, in which sub-forum should it go?

[hooplala]

Ok, this is a first pass at the forward to Occultus Forma Discordia (The Secrets of the Models of Discordianism). I think its a good introduction which might pique the interests of a Pinealist, while politely telling the Fluffy Bunny Discordian to please go play elsewhere. If they don't take the hint, then I think they leave themselves open for... well, the appropriate treatment (Cain, TGGR, this means YOU).

So here's the first quickie draft, please take a look at it and provide me with feedback. I'll be writing the treatise over the next few days and posting excerpts as Eris inspires them. This forward is intended to do three things:

1. Attract potential Discordians who are willing to use a Clue by Four as necessary.
2. Attract potential Discordians who are likely to be a Clue by Four (willing or not).
3. Dissuade the namby-pamby hippy Discordian from continuing down a path that will result in someone peeing in their bowl of Flax.

Please let me know your thoughts:

Occultus Forma Discordia
A Treatise on the Secrets of the Models of Discordianism

Forward

This is not The Truth of Discordianism. If you are looking for The Truth of Discordianism, you are a very silly person. This is not The Secret of Discordianism; if such a thing exists, you need to find it yourself. This is not even necessarily a True version of the Discordian vision as held by Omar, Mal-2, RAW or any other master of mayhem from the Early Days of Her Return. This is a treatise on an interpretation secrets of a model of Discordianism; particularly the model of Discordianism currently being used by this loose cabal of Chaoates which you have voluntarily stumbled into.

If you don,Äôt like what is written in these pages, then stop reading them. If you don,Äôt agree with our interpretations of models, then don,Äôt use them. If you simply want to run around spewing memes, then by all means don,Äôt let us stop you, just do it somewhere else. However, if you want to join our game, if you want to play with our toys, then assume, at least for the moment, that our game of Order hides a bigger game of Disorder. You can play or not, it,Äôs your choice. Do as Thou Will.

This document is designed to introduce you to our interpretation of a model. The model uses markers that you might be familiar with. However, don,Äôt confuse the marker with what the marker represents. A Fnord by any other name could still be a fnord (and a bit harder to trace back to Known Naughty NincomPOEEs). If you don,Äôt agree with the goals of the game (and the rules we,Äôre making up), then you probably won,Äôt want to play. So, before we waste any more of your time, let,Äôs talk about our goals.

We are a tribe of philosophers, hackers, theologians, magicians, scientists, artists, clowns, and similar maniacs who are intrigued with the possibility of modifying the thought processes of individuals,Ķ with our without their knowledge. If you firmly believe that the PD is a ,Äúhappy, hippy, everyone loves and accepts each other,Äù kind of book. Well, then you should probably stop reading right now. From our perspective, Eris rode on the back of Ares chariot, laughing and delighting in the chaos of war. If you don,Äôt want to explore that aspect of Chaos (as well as all the others), then take the blue pill and scamper off to some other Discordian forum. This doesn,Äôt mean you,Äôre wrong or right, it only means that you,Äôre not interested in our game. Do as Thou Will.

If you are of the opinion that Robert Anton Wilson, Mal-2 or Omar KNEW the truth,Ķ then you should probably go play elsewhere. Most of us have immense respect for those Chaoates that came before us, but we do not consider their word Truth or their ideas sacrosanct. Those great tricksters would be the first to tell you that neither they, nor their writings were to be considered as Sacred Cows. In Discordia there exists one Sacred Chao and she doesn,Äôt like competition.

This treatise is an introduction to our game, our ideas, our metaphors and our concepts. It is not written in E-Prime, though everything we write should be considered as perception and possibility,Ķ never as truth or fact. If you can,Äôt grasp this, then you,Äôre probably not up for the sort of games we play. If you don,Äôt like what you,Äôve read so far, then stop reading. This isn,Äôt Truth, it isn,Äôt FACT. We don,Äôt want your ,ÄúYou don,Äôt sound very Discordian,Äù responses. The art of Discordia exists in both Order and Disorder; Order and Disorder aren,Äôt enemies, only opposites.

If however, you are interested then we shall lay upon you some secrets of the models of Discordianism. We,Äôll take you beyond the memes, metaphors and Malaclypse, we,Äôll hone you to a fine point with which to prick the bum of the complacent, the self-satisfied, the Greyfaced, the Hunchbrain, the Pink, the Norm or whatever other name you want to call THEM.

It,Äôs up to you, Do as Thou Will.

Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
POEE of the Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal

Damn, I just got to this now, and . . . damn!

[Doktor Loki]

Rat, that was fucking awesome.

it needs it's own stickied thread, the question is, in which sub-forum should it go?

All of them.

Including Discordian Recipes.