The Black Iron Prison - v2

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Thats why I drink. So I have plenty of glass bottles near by to hurt people with.

That's good... there' glass involved with my poison of choice, but I could never hit anyone with my bong.

[Payne]

Well, you could. But it get's expensive after a while.

Ahhh, if I was rich, I'd attack hippies with bongs....

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Well, you could. But it get's expensive after a while.

Ahhh, if I was rich, I'd attack hippies with bongs....

Not me, hippies get all sorts of bonuses when it comes to bongs. +5 AC, +5 to Hit (unless it's a bogart).

[Payne]

You don't understand.

If I was rich, I would make it worth EVERYONES while to buy a cache of bangs, and hit hippies with them. Until we subjugate this "Peace And Love And Lack of Personal Hygiene" menace once  and for all.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

You don't understand.

If I was rich, I would make it worth EVERYONES while to buy a cache of bangs, and hit hippies with them. Until we subjugate this "Peace And Love And Lack of Personal Hygiene" menace once  and for all.

Well, as long as you're only worried about those kinds of hippies...

[Payne]

One problem at a time, my man, one problem at a time.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I'll see what else I have in the dark corners of my various hard drives that I can throw around.

FTR, you can edit that part about Starbucks to say whatever you want.  "Independent neighborhood coffee shop" or "Denny's" (or anything else) work just as well.

[Triple Zero]

Thats why I drink. So I have plenty of glass bottles near by to hurt people with.

this is false. you drink beer from cans. i've seen the pictahz.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Thats why I drink. So I have plenty of glass bottles near by to hurt people with.

this is false. you drink beer from cans. i've seen the pictahz.

We get both in scotland, one of the perks of being a civilised nation 

[Payne]

I drink BEER from cans. yes. I drink real alcohol from the bottle though.

[Triple Zero]

REAL alcohol. for REALLY REALNESS FOR REAL.

[AFK]

I didn't say I didn't LIKE it.

It's just that giving yourself a labotomy with your bare hands is more original than giving the worn out mittens.

Or maybe I've heard far too much Hotel California, and this is my conditioned response.

I think you all are a little too new, relatively speaking, to realize that this forum actually was called "Hotel California" for a time.  I think that was right before "No Exit"

[stromcrow]

nice work cram, but could you please also provide a one page per page version?

uhm, i hope the last five words make at least some sense.

[The Littlest Ubermensch]

So, am I the only one noticing how extremely alienating this is for the average reader, even the average intelligent, thinking, philosphical person? For example, on 24, there's a line about being "on some website, talking about some goddess." Unless you're targeting Discordians, you've instantly made your reader not a part of the experience (or give the impression that what they are reading is not for them, whether it's explicitly stated in their mind or just a tone their thoughts take.) Also, the references to memes are a bit alienating. Not every person knows what the hell a meme is, nor are they willing to figure out some crazy buzzword they read on some cult flyer. The whole language of this is way too close to the average nutjobs, really. Words and references that end up sounding arcane and a constant barrage of motivation and promises of eventual life transformation. I was reading it and I realized that I was, just below the surface of my thoughts, waiting for the part where money is asked for, a book is peddled, or somebody brings up chakras. Or worse, that final page where you find out about some "guru" who's the one and only true way to enlightenment! and giving you just enough license to throw out every idea you read and get on with your life. It's blatantly obvious that we're trying to get people to check our ideas out, and if there's one thing people don't want, it's to be suckered in by a bunch of amateurs.
Even a smart person is just stupid enough to be turned away by this.

Why do you think the PD is such a better recruitment tool than any of the shit we put out? Because it's light on the overt philosophy, and it's not trying to get you to sign up. When it's some jokes, some ideas, and there's not the express goal of getting someone to buy what you're selling, people might just buy it. We're doing a lot of selling, and not creating a product. As it turns out, a sales pitch isn't going to get shit done. If we want people to come, we can't rely on shitty advertisment which is on the same level of the "ART VAN OF ANN ARBOR IS SELLING FOR LOW LOW PRICES! COME AND GET IT! NO MONEY DOWN AND NO PAYMENTS UNTIL JANUARY 2009! ONCE IN A LIFETIME OFFER!" ads as far as effectiveness goes.
Make a product, and make a brand. We get some ideas, we get a book out, and we spread shit like meme bombs, quick slogans, propoganda, and make it so that Discordianism = jailbreak by spreading the meme so much. Don't tell them what they're supposed to think about the product, make it "obvious"!

[Triple Zero]

> So, am I the only one noticing  (...)

well you're not the only one who has voied such concerns, but it's good for stating them anyway.

got any ideas on how to "fix" that current BIPv2 pamphlet without having to completely rewrite it into a v3?