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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2007, 05:59:47 pm »
True, true... "think for yourself, schmuck" seems to be one of the biggest points to make.


Also Rat, "A conclusion is simply where you stopped thinking" seems to apply to your post.

Yep, I was thinking that exact line when I wrote the post. Well that and Crowley's "Every Soldier should be followed by a Hunchback"!?!?!?!?!???!!!???!!?!!?
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« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2007, 06:00:24 pm »
Influential books to Mang' (at risk of drawing great derision upon his polystyrene nose).

a) The Tibetan Book Of Living & Dying - Sogyal Rinpoche
b) On The Road - Kerouac (and Beat writing generally)
c)  Generation X - Douglas Coupland
d)  Why Freud Was Wrong - R. Wilson(?)
e)  Magick (aka Book 4 aka Liber ABA) - Crowley
f)   The Chicken Qabalah Of Rabbi Lamed Ben Clifford - L M Duquette
g)  Popular science books on Quantum Physics, Cosmology, Consciousness Research et al.
h) Oriental works relating to Health, Spirituality & Martial Arts
i)  OmG LOL FNORD2311!!s (aka Principia Discordia - Loompanics Edition)
j)  Early 80s Archie comics. Srsly.
k) The Hiram Key - a totally terrible, dreadful piece of ill-considered conspiracy nonsense. But important in that it got me to do a lot of reading & research into the 'Western Mystery Tradition' so-called and thus able to entirely refute and mock other terrible, dreadful works of ill-considered conspiracy nonsense. (cf: Laz & Closer to God website).
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« Reply #62 on: September 19, 2007, 06:01:07 pm »
Next question: what do you think it's the most important aim of discordianism: only get people to be free in this society of slavery or try to change the society? Know what I mean?

Society is always slavery.  Changing it is pointless, unless there's some kind of slavery you prefer over what you already have.  Even then, the headlining act of every Revolution always makes a piss-poor management team if the Revolution wins.  I don't think Discordianism is strictly for the Individual: it can and should be applied as a force for social upheaval.  But it shouldn't ever become loyal to any kind of Establishment.  If Discordians overthrew the current government and set up a new one, I'd make some new organization to subvert that version instead.  So the most important aim of Discordianism is to forcibly extract people from their Comfort Zones, regardless of what makes them comfortable -- even if they're comfortable in agreement with what most Discordians tend to think.
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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #63 on: September 19, 2007, 06:02:30 pm »
Oh, in response to Mang... I think The Book of Lies is fun, but I'm not convinced of how important it is.

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« Reply #64 on: September 19, 2007, 06:07:42 pm »
Oh, in response to Mang... I think The Book of Lies is fun, but I'm not convinced of how important it is.

Book of Lies is a lot of fun, if you're nerdy enough to do the sort of reading necessary to get all the 'in jokes'.

Yeah, I'm with you on that. Fun, but probably not important.
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« Reply #65 on: September 19, 2007, 06:22:56 pm »
Oh, in response to Mang... I think The Book of Lies is fun, but I'm not convinced of how important it is.

I think it depends... if as a Discordian, you want to experience significantly different "models"... Crowley did a great job with a complex model to immerse yourself in.
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« Reply #66 on: September 19, 2007, 06:25:12 pm »
I don't think Discordianism is strictly for the Individual: it can and should be applied as a force for social upheaval.

I agree, I think the primary focus of the PD and of Discordianism may be more personal, but the changes wrought in the person usually lead to their preference for social upheaval... in some sense*.

*as compared to SubG's which seem to have their primary focus aimed at the Pinks.
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« Reply #67 on: September 19, 2007, 06:31:37 pm »
Hmm, I thought I had submitted a response to Rev CK's latest question.  Oh well, I think that bit that Cram quoted from me from awhile ago is pretty much how I still feel about the aim of Discordianism. 
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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #68 on: September 19, 2007, 10:44:07 pm »
Favourite books (in no order):

"Consider Her Ways"

"Factotum"

"The Illiad"

"A Scanner Darkly"

"Deadeye Dick" & "Jailbird"

"Beautiful Losers"

"Master and Margarita"

"Ulysses" (yes, I really do enjoy reading it.  Most of it, anyway)

"The Dark Tower Series"

"The Negative Dialectics Of Poodle Play"
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« Reply #69 on: September 20, 2007, 12:24:11 am »
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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #70 on: September 20, 2007, 02:25:01 am »
Excellent answers so far, guys.  :D

Ok, I'm going to do some background to this question... Personally, I think a fair capitalist world is as utopic as an anarchy world.

What do you think we can do to make our society better? Do you think "doing our part" is good or do we have to make some special effort? Having the same opinion as mine, do you think anything can be done?
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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #71 on: September 20, 2007, 11:43:58 am »
Edit: I'm 15, by the way.

I'm 14.

Ok, next question: what are your favorite non-discordian books? (for instance, don't put any RAW thing or principia, cause this is obvious =D)

What qualifies as a non-Discordian book?  A few of my favorite book of the past few years were written by someone heavly influenced by Discordianism and RAW.

45 by Bill Drummond.
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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #72 on: September 20, 2007, 01:22:54 pm »
Next question: what do you think it's the most important aim of discordianism: only get people to be free in this society of slavery or try to change the society? Know what I mean?

To wake them up to new possibilities and ideas.  To realize authority is always suspect, regardless of what it claims and that reality is often messy and unpredictable.

And to have fun, of course.

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« Reply #73 on: September 20, 2007, 01:29:43 pm »
What do you think we can do to make our society better? Do you think "doing our part" is good or do we have to make some special effort? Having the same opinion as mine, do you think anything can be done?

Hang all bankers.

That aside, decentralize power and decision making as much as possible.  Restructure the economy to value leisure time, creative endeavours etc more (I have ideas on how to do this, but they are pretty complex.  And require robots to do nearly all the heavy industry work).  Educate people in the art of critical thinking from an early age, and teach them to be skeptical towards everything.  Then trust them to make decisions based on their own knowledge and preferences, within reason.

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Re: An interview with you
« Reply #74 on: September 20, 2007, 01:43:56 pm »
Cain, those are great ideas.

I really like the critical thinking and emphasis on SLACK.

As far as decentralized decision making, what about national disasters, interstate commerce, foreign policy, etc?  There seem to be some instances where a more pyramid-style system seems to be more effective.