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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #135 on: January 04, 2008, 05:02:41 pm »
I agree with Vex's idea that there should be an alternate base camp.

Also, perhaps a slightly more user-friendly way of reading some of the ideas in here. I think I'm going to copy and paste a lot of Cain's stuff into a text file that I can print and read hard-copy tonight because, honestly, I have a hard time processing a lot of this stuff as I read it, particularly because I do my reading on this board in the office, which doesn't give me the opportunity to focus and reflect the way I should.

Cram's idea of multiple cells with overlapping members, with each cell having a strength, is a really good one.

I've had a lot of cool ideas lately for things I can do IRL that are subtle and simple, but I think a solid start. I'm a fairly introverted, live-and-let-live sort of person, so I'm moving forward in baby steps, especially now that I'm pretty much solitary. (Cram used to be a really solid motivator--it's hard to not get involved in his crazy shenanigans, and that's GREAT, but I don't have that kind of energy on my own without some sort of catalyst. On occasion I run into a book/song/event/whatever that provides catalyst for me, I don't have any one thing I can count on to work 98% of the time. Cram gets results :wink: ) On that note, I really like that you guys have been tossing around the idea of newb training, as it were. I think myself, and most likely numerous others, stand to gain a lot from that, and even seasoned veterans might find new ideas.

Getting this mildly machine-like would, I think, be good--the concept that an object in motion stays in motion, as mentioned. So if we have a mild degree of interlocking cogs going on, it'll keep momentum going, because there is a notorious problems amongst the folk here (myself included) of starting projects and never finishing. If we have interlocking pieces, as long as one is going, it'll keep the others going, even if it's agonizingly slow. Eventually, energy will be built back up again. The trick is just to keep it going.

Okay. I don't think I'm adding a lot. I'm trying, but again, in the office, and with deadlines to meet, so I shouldn't be on here in the first place. I will attempt to have something more useful to say in the future. This is a really good thread.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #136 on: January 04, 2008, 05:09:37 pm »
recruitment - infiltrate grassroots movements of campaigns destined for failure (read: ron paul, dennis kucinich) and begin actively recruiting after their candidate loses or gives up.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #137 on: January 04, 2008, 05:18:25 pm »
Ok, after a bit more thought... I decided to just go with the flow:


Operation: Apple Harvest

Goal: Find and recruit as many Discordians and Discordianesque individuals as possible for a new ELF-like network.

Primary - Develop a coherent message to recruit with. Include propaganda, memes, rants, conversion sermons, aim for multiple groups.... propaganda for Pinealists may be different than Propaganda for NeoDiscordians ;-).

Secondary - Prepare training material for Cyberwarfare and IRL Art Sabotage/Poetic Terrorism/Operation Mindfuck. Include actual attacks in the training.

Tertiary - Blitz all known internet Discordian hangouts  as well as any IRL locations for potential recruits (via flyers etc).


Ok, there's our first Operation and goals. Our next Operations probably need to be plans for actual attacks during the recruitment phase.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #138 on: January 04, 2008, 05:23:27 pm »
poetic terror can be fun, but didn't "art sabotage" mean the actual destruction of proper artworks (as some sort of nihilistic/fatalistic statement), i assume you're not advocating that, right?
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #139 on: January 04, 2008, 07:07:13 pm »
poetic terror can be fun, but didn't "art sabotage" mean the actual destruction of proper artworks (as some sort of nihilistic/fatalistic statement), i assume you're not advocating that, right?


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ART SABOTAGE STRIVES TO be perfectly exemplary but at the same time retain an element of opacity--not propaganda but aesthetic shock--apallingly direct yet also subtly angled-- action-as-metaphor.

Art Sabotage is the dark side of Poetic Terrorism--creation- through-destruction--but it cannot serve any Party, nor any nihilism, nor even art itself. Just as the banishment of illusion enhances awareness, so the demolition of aesthetic blight sweetens the air of the world of discourse, of the Other. Art Sabotage serves only consciousness, attentiveness, awakeness.

A-S goes beyond paranoia, beyond deconstruction--the ultimate criticism--physical attack on offensive art-- aesthetic jihad. The slightest taint of petty ego-icity or even of personal taste spoils its purity & vitiates its force. A-S can never seek power--only release it.

Individual artworks (even the worst) are largely irrelevant- -A-S seeks to damage institutions which use art to diminish consciousness & profit by delusion. This or that poet or painter cannot be condemned for lack of vision--but malign Ideas can be assaulted through the artifacts they generate. MUZAK is designed to hypnotize & control--its machinery can be smashed.

Public book burnings--why should rednecks & Customs officials monopolize this weapon? Novels about children possessed by demons; the New York Times bestseller list; feminist tracts against pornography; schoolbooks (especially Social Studies, Civics, Health); piles of New York Post , Village Voice & other supermarket papers; choice gleanings of Xtian publishers; a few Harlequin Romances--a festive atmosphere, wine-bottles & joints passed around on a clear autumn afternoon.

To throw money away at the Stock Exchange was pretty decent Poetic Terrorism--but to destroy the money would have been good Art Sabotage. To seize TV transmission & broadcast a few pirated minutes of incendiary Chaote art would constitute a feat of PT--but simply to blow up the transmission tower would be perfectly adequate Art Sabotage. If certain galleries & museums deserve an occasional brick through their windows--not destruction, but a jolt to complacency--then what about BANKS? Galleries turn beauty into a commodity but banks transmute Imagination into feces and debt. Wouldn't the world gain a degree of beauty with each bank that could be made to tremble...or fall? But how? Art Sabotage should probably stay away from politics (it's so boring)--but not from banks.

Don't picket--vandalize. Don't protest--deface. When ugliness, poor design & stupid waste are forced upon you, turn Luddite, throw your shoe in the works, retaliate. Smash the symbols of the Empire in the name of nothing but the heart's longing for grace.



I think the idea is useful, though our angle of attack may be less simplistic... particularly in virtual land.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #140 on: January 04, 2008, 07:10:02 pm »
Rough Draft - Pineal Propaganda Document 1


The Sacred Chao can be considered as made up of three visual elements. The first, an eternal symbol of balance, the yin and yang, the black and white, the male and female, the polarity of everything. Inside the black half of this ancient symbol is the 'Golden Apple'. The Golden Apple that started the Trojan War, The Golden Apple of Eris.  The third element, nested in the white half of the Chao appears as a Five-Sided Pentagon, the symbol of order, war (in some countries)... as well as all good Bureaucracies everywhere.

"But what does it mean?" asked the student seeking enlightenment.

The Sacred Chao exists as a symbol of the universal balance between Chaos and Order. These are known to Discordians as "The Hodge", the symbol of the Chaos which touches every part of existence (even the parts that your Mommy said not to touch unless you were taking a bath). On the other side there is “The Podge”, a symbol of Order, Bureaucracy, and Dogma.

The Sacred Chao is never in a perfect balance, or a static position. Indeed, it wobbles as each side struggles to remain in balance with the other. The secret to the power of the Chao is exactly that, understanding that an increase in one, will initiate an increase in the other. Every time the Government increases taxes and decreases freedoms, there is a proportional increase in rebellion, tax evasion and chaos. When there is an increase in civil disobedience or rebellion, there is a proportional increase in the Police and Authority force, more freedoms are curtailed and the Sacred Chao wobbles from side to side.

Today, balance has been lost by many. Internet forums have become dead zones where like minded people have stopped ‘thinking’ and started ‘repeating’. Political hacks that claim the fnord title ‘Pundit’ (though one never hears them pun), support this schmuck filled echo chamber, as their barely coherent rants become the talk of the day across the blogosphere and through thread after thread of forum posts. These fetid pools of stagnancy are imbalanced, the Curse of Greyface has overtaken them and that which stagnates too long, dies. Won’t you help Save the Cabbages?

Join us for a series of educational seminars on the art of Erisian activism in the 21st Century. Come for the information, stay for the action.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #141 on: January 04, 2008, 07:33:40 pm »
Completely un-thought thought:

"Hey!  You read Illuminatus!  Remember Hagbard Celine and the LDS?  Well, it exists, and you can be part of it!"

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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #142 on: January 04, 2008, 07:45:05 pm »
Argh, my connection is next to useless currently.  Don't know why, but getting on in the last two days is very hard (I logged on about 10 minutes ago, it took me at least 10 minutes to get my connection to work).

I wanted to add when I mentioned code, Cainad put a link to cryptography, but I actually meant code (word/meaning substitution, not letter substitution.  The latter is crackable with time, the former is easier to learn and, unless the people putting it together are stupid, is uncrackable at all).

Also, LMNO seems to be along the lines I had considered.

I'll deal with longer posts tomorrow, because I'm not sure my connection will even last to the end of this post.

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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #143 on: January 04, 2008, 08:54:15 pm »
Completely un-thought thought:

"Hey!  You read Illuminatus!  Remember Hagbard Celine and the LDS?  Well, it exists, and you can be part of it!"

So maybe dusting off some old memes:

Erisian Liberation Front, Legion of Dynamic Discord,  Gold& Appel... what else?
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #144 on: January 04, 2008, 09:01:32 pm »
Actually, why not?  A mythological structure exists, why not use it?


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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #145 on: January 04, 2008, 09:08:30 pm »
Actually, why not?  A mythological structure exists, why not use it?


Finally, RAW becomes useful again.

He's always been useful... people just use him incorrectly most of the time ;-)

This fits with what Cainad stated in the recruitment post I think... While there are all sorts of new memes (BiP etc) being created, there is a huge field of ripe memes long sown and ready for harvest. They're already out there pointing in some direction, why not have them pointing in our direction?

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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #146 on: January 04, 2008, 10:02:42 pm »
Perhaps point Huckabee and Ron Paul at each other would be good for LULZ.
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #147 on: January 05, 2008, 02:30:23 am »
I wanted to add when I mentioned code, Cainad put a link to cryptography, but I actually meant code (word/meaning substitution, not letter substitution.  The latter is crackable with time, the former is easier to learn and, unless the people putting it together are stupid, is uncrackable at all).

Since this is the only thing that I think I can contribute to at my current level of skill (that being the level of "N00b who talks a lot"), should I start making a code system that we might use for in-the-field communication?

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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #148 on: January 05, 2008, 04:10:56 am »
Completely un-thought thought:

"Hey!  You read Illuminatus!  Remember Hagbard Celine and the LDS?  Well, it exists, and you can be part of it!"

So maybe dusting off some old memes:

Erisian Liberation Front, Legion of Dynamic Discord,  Gold& Appel... what else?
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Re: ATTN: FSM SCUMBAGS
« Reply #149 on: January 05, 2008, 06:35:11 am »
Organizational adaptation: the Limited-Time-Only network.

It exists for the period of a Mission and then completely disbands.

The only thing that remains in place is a loose affiliation with other people you've been with on other missions, and a mysterious voice from the heavens telling you what to do next and who to call for help.
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