Abortion is Murder

[East Coast Hustle]

and reminding you that just because you're YOU doesn't mean that you're exempt from having your statements critically analyzed. I think some of us (myself among them) have been sliding too far towards that way of thinking lately.

[Cain]

Well I'd love to share my opinion, but I might be trying to force others into it by suggesting they be allowed to have a choice (lol wut?). 

Fuck off.  I'd tear that bullshit you just said to shreds, but what's the point?  It wouldn't sound half as snazzy as a trite piece of fake argumentation and logical fallacy, and we all know that is what really matters.

[Cain]

and reminding you that just because you're YOU doesn't mean that you're exempt from having your statements critically analyzed. I think some of us (myself among them) have been sliding too far towards that way of thinking lately.

Oh, so now I'm asking people treat me to a different standard?

Poison some other wells, I'm not playing.

[hunter s.durden]

You're applying your knowledge set to their morals.

If its  not murder then these people have no reason to try and force their position on others, in which case these people are fanatical morons.  No difference between them and the people who try and make women wear the niqab in public.

They think it IS murder.

We're mixing apples and oranges here.

Let's use a parable, as Jesus did when he condemned abortion:

I am schizophrenic. I murder a woman who I believe to be the future mother of the anti-christ.
The question here isn't whether I should be locked up. It's was am I a "bad" person? I say the answer is no, I was crazy and thought I was doing right. I wasn't fundamentally bad in my actions, just mixed-up.

You are answering my proposal of "Pro-lifers aren't evil," with "a fetus isn't a human."

[Cain]

But in your chosen example, there is a question of mental health, which raises questions about being able to assess arguments and information critically.  A person who is against abortion can critically assess standard biological and medical knowledge, as well as various moral positions to decide if a fetus can be considered a person or not.  Since polls have shown that more educated people are inclined to agree with pro-choice decisions, it would suggest that educated people with access to more information and possessing better analytical skills are better placed to make a decision, and have.

Admittedly, there is still a large minority of educated people who disagree, but generally they focus their rhetoric on trying to push back the final date for an abortion, not banning it outright.

[East Coast Hustle]

Well I'd love to share my opinion, but I might be trying to force others into it by suggesting they be allowed to have a choice (lol wut?). 

Fuck off.  I'd tear that bullshit you just said to shreds, but what's the point?  It wouldn't sound half as snazzy as a trite piece of fake argumentation and logical fallacy, and we all know that is what really matters.

1. I'm not saying that I think that people should be allowed to legislate choices out of existence, but they certainly have the right to publically and vocally voice their own opinions. you seem to be saying that if their opinion is that abortion is murder that this makes them fanatical morons regardless of their legislative intent. how does believing that life begins at conception equate to being a fanatical moron?

2. by all means, tear anything I've said here to shreds. I won't take it personally and I may very well be missing an important point. It'd be alot more conducive to an intelligent discussion than what I perceive to be your form of intellectual sulking.

remember, arguing against your position != tearing you down personally

[Cain]

Sorry, not playing.

I'm being "pissy".  Go find someone else to do your critical thinking.  I did some, but apparently I was being pissy and a hypocrite.

[East Coast Hustle]

you ARE being pissy.

recognize and move on, for fuck's sake. The intellectual aspects of this discussion are, frankly, very interesting.

[Suu]

...I started growing course facial hair on my chin...Sexy.

paging WOMP!

would WOMP please report to the thread?

ITT: Potential inspiration for my Steampunk costume naow.

[Cain]

you ARE being pissy.

recognize and move on, for fuck's sake. The intellectual aspects of this discussion are, frankly, very interesting.

Yes, I am NOW.  I get like that when people decide to go out of their way to provoke me.

And I don't take well to orders.  Since apparently no-one is now interested in keeping civil discussion alive in this thread, why should I bother to carry on?

[East Coast Hustle]

dude, fucking UNGH.

no one is going out of their way to provoke you. If anything, it appears as though you've gone out of your way to be provoked.

no one is giving you orders, nor anything that could reasonably misconstrued as such.

and if no one is interested in keeping civil discussion alive ITT, then why am I going to such great lengths to do just that?

if you just want to pick a fight that's your business, but I'm not interested.

[Cain]

You came in here looking for a fight, then backed out when I responded in kind.

But obviously different standards apply to me, right?

[East Coast Hustle]

looking for a spirited intellectual debate != looking for a fight

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

  However, fundamentally, Pro-Choice should be just that, Pro-Choice.  That means one has the right to their choice.

So all Pro-choicers should be Libertarians or Anarchists.

Don't infringe on a corporation's right to dump toxic waste in the rivers, and use their revenues to buy 8-year-old  Fillipino lady-boy hooker. They CHOOSE to do that, who are you to stop them?

irrelevant, because most CEOs are men.

It's a women's right to choose.

Now you're on it...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

you ARE being pissy.

recognize and move on, for fuck's sake. The intellectual aspects of this discussion are, frankly, very interesting.

I'm sure they are, for those who haven't seen this exact conversation (minus the injections of silliness) 43,000 times on Usenet.