Chaoticians and Agents of Strife

[hooplala]

. . . this is getting uncomfortable.

[Triple Zero]

Scientific/Chaoticians - As Cain defined, links Discordianism/Chaos with scientific models (Quantum Physics etc)

NOT QUANTUM PHYSICS DAMNIT

anyone who thinks quantum physics has anything to do with discordians needs to step the fuck back and stay away from science, plz.

chaos theory
systems theory
complexity theory
artificial intelligence
statistical analysis
network theory
hacking / security
cooking
psychology and certain aspects of social sciences

are all valid sciences that can be useful in combination with discordianism (but not exclusively)

but not Quantum Physics.

[Triple Zero]

I'm maybe 1/15th conscious, and I prefer it that way.  I'm not interested in the stewardship of my cells or body language or farts or blinks.  All I'm interested in is information and other people.

ok at first i was going to completely disagree with you,  but now i see you don't try to say we are not self-conscious, but that we are merely not conscious of every aspect of our being.

this is explained rather easily.

a system cannot become self-conscious until it can represent a meaningful model of itself, within itself. i dunno if this is the only requirement, i think not, but it is definitely one.

now this model, the word says it all really, is just a model. it can never fully represent the entirety of the system itself in complete detail. [ see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigeonhole_principle ]

so, perfect self-consciousness is impossible.

but that's okay, because a lot of interesting things happen with only partial self-consciousness

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I agree with you on that... I was using it as a common Discordian example, not my personal view...

(I think QP is a great Discordian metaphor, as long as we realize that the map isn't the territory)

[Triple Zero]

in the sense that it's a funky mindfuck if you manage to wrap your head around it, perhaps. but its practical use is next to nil, unless you happen to be a Physics PhD or researcher of some kind.

[Reverend Ju Ju Booze]

yes,we probably should focus on more practical chaos than QT...
I mean,assuming Cain's division,you either have a chaotic weltenshauung or a chaotic praxis...(I use crazy words only because I lack english words..pretentious mode is off)
So you want to sprea strife and chaos,either on a theorical or a practical plane...Why?
We want to see people wake up like always,go out and suddenly think...."What the Fuck?"
The question is,at least to ME,at least NOW...WHAT is that "fuck" I want people think about?
WHAT is that "fuck" I' talking about?
You can know what you refer as "mind" but you can't "mindfuck" if you don't know what the fuck is the "fuck".
I'm almost half serious.What is Chaos for me?What's the Fuck?
Interesting questions,right?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

in the sense that it's a funky mindfuck if you manage to wrap your head around it, perhaps. but its practical use is next to nil, unless you happen to be a Physics PhD or researcher of some kind.

I meant that it was a great example of a map that that can make the territory appear funky, if you don't understand the map. Also, how different maps can discuss the same territory (atomic vs subatomic)

[Jasper]

. . . this is getting uncomfortable.

What is?  Picking apart our sanity with tweezers?

[hooplala]

Don't worry, it's passed.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was hoping someone would have made a quiz by now.

[Jasper]

Q: Can you think for yourself?
A:

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Q: Can you think for yourself?
A: