Fuck Advertising

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Ok Netaungrot,

I am gonna take a mulligan, declare myself a Cosmic Schmuck and go do more research. I think I may have overstepped the usage of the word and probably confused myself in the assumption.

Fnord.

Also, I still think my life as a JW included brainwashing and didn't include stress positions or anything of the sort... just a constant steady mantra of memes from birth onward...

but maybe that's something else.

[Iron Sulfide]

i think the argument is loaded with doublespeak.

brainwashing isn't a bad term. it's a blunt one. colloquially, it is meant as One Thing, a priori, because that is the simple quick reference for the term.

i feel similarly on this topic as George Carlin feels about the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, v. "Shell Shock."

well, truth be told, what most people acquire is more accurately called "PTSD", but it removes the pain associated with the term that Shell Shock has. Even if the person didn't get shelled into a nervous breakdown from mortar fire.

what happens is the brain gets "washed" of patterns, and insulated with new ones. this can happen shortly with drastic means, or gradually with subtle means.

already tl;dr, i know...and redundant.

in short, communication, ultimately, is the larger whole, and "brainwashing" and "advertising" are terms associated with coercive communication. "instilling" and "rearing" and "instruction" are terms associated with positive communication.

shit, we're basically a group think brainwashing machine. we're just designed to fuck with the other cogs around us. double speak.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

i think the argument is loaded with doublespeak.

brainwashing isn't a bad term. it's a blunt one. colloquially, it is meant as One Thing, a priori, because that is the simple quick reference for the term.

i feel similarly on this topic as George Carlin feels about the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, v. "Shell Shock."

well, truth be told, what most people acquire is more accurately called "PTSD", but it removes the pain associated with the term that Shell Shock has. Even if the person didn't get shelled into a nervous breakdown from mortar fire.

what happens is the brain gets "washed" of patterns, and insulated with new ones. this can happen shortly with drastic means, or gradually with subtle means.

already tl;dr, i know...and redundant.

in short, communication, ultimately, is the larger whole, and "brainwashing" and "advertising" are terms associated with coercive communication. "instilling" and "rearing" and "instruction" are terms associated with positive communication.

shit, we're basically a group think brainwashing machine. we're just designed to fuck with the other cogs around us. double speak.

That's sort of how I felt, but I think I'm losing the argument.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

i think the argument is loaded with doublespeak.

brainwashing isn't a bad term. it's a blunt one. colloquially, it is meant as One Thing, a priori, because that is the simple quick reference for the term.

i feel similarly on this topic as George Carlin feels about the term Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, v. "Shell Shock."

well, truth be told, what most people acquire is more accurately called "PTSD", but it removes the pain associated with the term that Shell Shock has. Even if the person didn't get shelled into a nervous breakdown from mortar fire.

what happens is the brain gets "washed" of patterns, and insulated with new ones. this can happen shortly with drastic means, or gradually with subtle means.

already tl;dr, i know...and redundant.

in short, communication, ultimately, is the larger whole, and "brainwashing" and "advertising" are terms associated with coercive communication. "instilling" and "rearing" and "instruction" are terms associated with positive communication.

shit, we're basically a group think brainwashing machine. we're just designed to fuck with the other cogs around us. double speak.

1 - Who's argument is loaded with doublespeak? Which terms are doublespeak?

2 - No term is bad, it's all in how it is used.

3/4 - What most people acquire from what? I don't see the relevance here.

5/6 - Yes, redundant.

7 - People associate their identity with ideas that come into their head. This doesn't make the association valid. If you think advertising is indeed coercive I'd like to know how you came to that conclusion, how you are defining your terms, and what evidence you can supply to support your claims.

8 - Who is a group think brainwashing machine? Humans? Maybe, but that's a different can of worms.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Ok Netaungrot,

I am gonna take a mulligan, declare myself a Cosmic Schmuck and go do more research. I think I may have overstepped the usage of the word and probably confused myself in the assumption.

Fnord.

Also, I still think my life as a JW included brainwashing and didn't include stress positions or anything of the sort... just a constant steady mantra of memes from birth onward...

but maybe that's something else.

Maybe. I certainly can't make that call.

Parenting seems to require some amount of coercion, so when does it become brainwashing? I'd say it would have to involve extreme social isolation and emotional abuse for the purpose of aligning a child's beliefs with the parent's.

There's also a distinction between brainwashing and internalization. One can't call their parent's behavior brainwashing merely because they absorbed a lot of it growing up and later disagreed with it. There has to be a particular abusive element tied to the beliefs as well.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

So if I were to say that I spent my entire time in school without any afterschool activities, no school friends (since they weren't allowed to come to my house, nor I to theirs), had ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses to hang out with, wasn't allowed to examine other religions or philosophies outside the context of learning how to beat then in debate... and inculcated with the belief that deviation from The Truth (what JW's call their belief system) would expose us to Satan and demonic possesion... would that start to qualify?

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

Yeah, that's brainwashing in my book.

That kind of experience is just not comparable to the piddling appeals of advertising.

[Iron Sulfide]

i'm just saying that it's a semantic argument, and little else.

and the bits about PTSD we an analogy. and the psychological trauma that causes a person such emotional problems is well documented, and can stem from a whole host of traumas that a person, for one reason or another, in some cases can't handle.

as for the rest, i don't offer shit for evidence, because it's my opinion.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

i'm just saying that it's a semantic argument, and little else.

and the bits about PTSD we an analogy. and the psychological trauma that causes a person such emotional problems is well documented, and can stem from a whole host of traumas that a person, for one reason or another, in some cases can't handle.

as for the rest, i don't offer shit for evidence, because it's my opinion.

[East Coast Hustle]

hey!

that's MY schtick.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

hey!

that's MY schtick.

Sorry, it just felt so right...

[East Coast Hustle]

I was just busting balls, dude. I didn't want you to pull the pic.

ECH,
was actually hoping that meme would spread

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I was just busting balls, dude. I didn't want you to pull the pic.

ECH,
was actually hoping that meme would spread

Well, the gynormity of it was a bit unnecessary, that's all I changed.

[East Coast Hustle]

oh, musta been my browser acting retarded then.