BioGass: you won't have to give up the car!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This article (linked from the previous one) is even better:

http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

[Jasper]

I think our "sky cuisinarts" ( ) are fairly exonerated.

[B_M_W]

Right, and of course the "effects on migratory birds" claim turns out to be completely unfounded in reality with absolutely no research or evidence to indicate that it even MIGHT POSSIBLY be factual. Pure propaganda.

Not necessarily.

I've looked for a basis in fact, because I believed it originally. Find me the studies.

I've only got hearsay at this point, but I'm more apt to believe it coming straight from the mouth of wildlife professionals who work with bats and migratory waterfowl. In other words, professors at my university.

~Kaimi

[East Coast Hustle]

I don't see how windfarms would be viable in a heavily forested area anyway... makes no sense.

My point wasn't that their opinions don't count because they live in ugly subdivisions, my point is that the beautiful deserts of California are rapidly being gobbled up by UGLY FUCKING SUBDIVISIONS which ruin the natural beauty far more than erecting a bunch of windmills, and the irony is that it's the SUV-driving residents of the hideous goddamn nature-wrecking McMansion-infested subdivisions who don't want their pretty desert view wrecked by windmills.

Drive around outside of Sacramento sometime and you'll see what I mean.

Actually, there's no reason to go to Sacramento, ever, so don't.

most of the places they've been proposed or erected are in northern or far eastern Maine where there are more flat open spots.

[Richter]

I'm still waiting / hoping for the one to go up in Nantucket Sound.  Just to give the Kerrys and the Kennedys a constant, visible symbol of their impotence. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Right, and of course the "effects on migratory birds" claim turns out to be completely unfounded in reality with absolutely no research or evidence to indicate that it even MIGHT POSSIBLY be factual. Pure propaganda.

Not necessarily.

I've looked for a basis in fact, because I believed it originally. Find me the studies.

I've only got hearsay at this point, but I'm more apt to believe it coming straight from the mouth of wildlife professionals who work with bats and migratory waterfowl. In other words, professors at my university.

~Kaimi

Is their knowledge firsthand? Are they talking about bird death or habitat disruption? Also, don't give your professors too much credence. Most college students go through a phase lasting a couple of years after graduation where they give college professors too much credit... truth is, they're schmucks like the rest of us.

[Jasper]

Opinion is just that, and there are solid numbers in my citation that argue the contrary.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ooohhhh yeah baby, you tell it true.

[Jasper]

What?   Stop that, you're ruining the mood!  It's ruined now!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

<limpness>

[B_M_W]

Right, and of course the "effects on migratory birds" claim turns out to be completely unfounded in reality with absolutely no research or evidence to indicate that it even MIGHT POSSIBLY be factual. Pure propaganda.

Not necessarily.

I've looked for a basis in fact, because I believed it originally. Find me the studies.

I've only got hearsay at this point, but I'm more apt to believe it coming straight from the mouth of wildlife professionals who work with bats and migratory waterfowl. In other words, professors at my university.

~Kaimi

Is their knowledge firsthand? Are they talking about bird death or habitat disruption? Also, don't give your professors too much credence. Most college students go through a phase lasting a couple of years after graduation where they give college professors too much credit... truth is, they're schmucks like the rest of us.

Fuck /no/ I don't play into that shit. I tend to believe it coming from wildlife specialists in the same way I believe that kentucky bluegrass is perfectly fine when it goes brown and dormant in the middle of the summer, its not dead, and it will come back in the fall when two grass specialist professors of mine tell me the same thing. I trust their knowlege because they have shown over 4 years time that they are truly knowlegable about the subject.

~Kaimi

[Jasper]

But

But

They're

Wrong...

[B_M_W]

But

But

They're

Wrong...

about kentucky bluegrass? No, they aren't. if your grass doesn't grow back in the fall its prolly ryegrass, another genus (Poa versus Lolium).

[Jasper]

What?  Since when am I talking about grass?

[B_M_W]

This article (linked from the previous one) is even better:

http://www.awea.org/faq/sagrillo/swbirds.html

Yeah, thats a pretty good 'un. I'd be more apt to believe its validity if it was conducted by a third party source. The article also says nothing of the study period, the seasonality, or any number of things. I'd want to get my hands on the actual journal paper itself, as well as the one for bats.

Something I've learned in Fisheries Management while writing briefs (though I hate that class) is that summary articles like the one above can twist what was actually in the study itself, especially when coming from the AWEA homepage whos goal is to forward wind power technology. What, you think they would post /bad/ information about themselves on the website to forward their goals? The same thing happens everywhere, in both scientific and non scientific reporting.