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Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: memy on June 09, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
This is how I know breaking the candies was the right thing to do.

Cause of things like this.

:lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz: :lulz:
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Adios

Quote from: memy on June 09, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
This is how I know breaking the candies was the right thing to do.

Cause of things like this.

From what I have picked up ITT there is no right or wrong answer because order/disorder is in the eye of the beholder.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


The former exists in our heads... the latter exists in reality.
To crib from Crowley, 1+1 is 'true', 1+1=2 is a 'lie.



- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Elder Iptuous

Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
I claim that a Pattern is a user-created process that Filters out aspects of the Experiential Universe in order to find a "repeating metric" (to use your term).

I also claim that if you change those Filters, those aspects of the Experiential Universe are no longer a "repeating metric".

Therefore, any "repeating metric" is soley the creation of the observer.

ok....
you're saying that the pattern is the defining criteria, whereas i'm saying the pattern is the manifestation of that criteria.
both understandable uses of the words with very different implications in this context....

hmm.

memy

Quote from: Hawk link=topic=16651.msg883269#msg883269

From what I have picked up ITT there is no right or wrong answer because order/disorder is in the eye of the beholder.

yep, and my eye says anything that's complicatingly fun is a right thing to do.
ma-ma-say ma-ma-sah ma-ma-co-sah

AFK

Quote from: Hawk on June 09, 2010, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: memy on June 09, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
This is how I know breaking the candies was the right thing to do.

Cause of things like this.

From what I have picked up ITT there is no right or wrong answer because order/disorder is in the eye of the beholder.

eye and mind, and of course, their BIP cell.  ;)
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Elder Iptuous

Quote from: Ratatosk on June 09, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


The former exists in our heads... the latter exists in reality.
To crib from Crowley, 1+1 is 'true', 1+1=2 is a 'lie.


again... the former is a subset of the latter, no?

the line from Crowley, i don't grok.

Adios

Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 04:37:56 PM
Quote from: Hawk on June 09, 2010, 04:33:15 PM
Quote from: memy on June 09, 2010, 04:30:19 PM
This is how I know breaking the candies was the right thing to do.

Cause of things like this.

From what I have picked up ITT there is no right or wrong answer because order/disorder is in the eye of the beholder.

eye and mind, and of course, their BIP cell;)

Absolutely unavoidable. All of our perceptions are connected to our experiences.

LMNO

Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


If you meant "Math is a subset of the Experiential Universe", then I ask you to point to the concept of "Zero" as it exists in the Universe we experience.

AFK

Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
I claim that a Pattern is a user-created process that Filters out aspects of the Experiential Universe in order to find a "repeating metric" (to use your term).

I also claim that if you change those Filters, those aspects of the Experiential Universe are no longer a "repeating metric".

Therefore, any "repeating metric" is soley the creation of the observer.

ok....
you're saying that the pattern is the defining criteria, whereas i'm saying the pattern is the manifestation of that criteria.
both understandable uses of the words with very different implications in this context....

hmm.


The manifestation according to how you've observed and processed the manifestation.  
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

Quote from: RWHN on June 09, 2010, 04:40:14 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:35:37 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:30:54 PM
I claim that a Pattern is a user-created process that Filters out aspects of the Experiential Universe in order to find a "repeating metric" (to use your term).

I also claim that if you change those Filters, those aspects of the Experiential Universe are no longer a "repeating metric".

Therefore, any "repeating metric" is soley the creation of the observer.

ok....
you're saying that the pattern is the defining criteria, whereas i'm saying the pattern is the manifestation of that criteria.
both understandable uses of the words with very different implications in this context....

hmm.


The manifestation according to how you've observed and processed the manifestation.  

That is to say, the manifestation after you've removed all the bits of the manifestation that don't apply to the pattern you're looking for.

Elder Iptuous

Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


If you meant "Math is a subset of the Experiential Universe", then I ask you to point to the concept of "Zero" as it exists in the Universe we experience.

mu

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on June 09, 2010, 04:33:30 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


The former exists in our heads... the latter exists in reality.
To crib from Crowley, 1+1 is 'true', 1+1=2 is a 'lie.


again... the former is a subset of the latter, no?

the line from Crowley, i don't grok.

1 apple and 1 apple exist... labeling them as 2 apples is a mental shortcut because they are both single, unique things. Our brains just gloss over the differences and correlate the similarities.
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

LMNO

Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


If you meant "Math is a subset of the Experiential Universe", then I ask you to point to the concept of "Zero" as it exists in the Universe we experience.

mu

:cn:

LMNO

Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:42:36 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:41:49 PM
Quote from: LMNO on June 09, 2010, 04:40:03 PM
Quote from: Iptuous on June 09, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
LMNO,
i also just was struck by you saying:
Quote
In Concepts, like Math and Physics, we can have Absolute things.  But not in the Universe we experience.
and it occurs to me that the former is a subset of the latter, no?


If you meant "Math is a subset of the Experiential Universe", then I ask you to point to the concept of "Zero" as it exists in the Universe we experience.

mu

:cn:

Ok, we're getting a little punchy, here.  "mu" is "no-thing", or some such shit -- I still require you showing me where that is in the Universe.