Just because your decision had a reason does not remove your responsibility.

[Jenne]

Question:  why does any of it have to be ANYbody's fault?

Why can't it just be circumstance?   There ARE such things as unintentional consequences, and therefore no fault.  Sounds to me, Regret, as if you are having problems accepting that sometimes, shit just happens.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So a rape victim is responsible for catching the rapist's eye?

yes,

That's all I needed to hear.

[Jenne]

So a rape victim is responsible for catching the rapist's eye?

yes,

That's all I needed to hear.

Yeah, that's like saying it's our faults we were born.  No logic.

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

of course you're not! the only thing you are responsible for is how you act and react.

So a rape victim is responsible for catching the rapist's eye?

yes, and the rapist is responsible for acting on his eye being caught.
and the victim is responsible for his or her level of resistance.
and the rapist is responsible for not killing himself.

are you fucking serious?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Question:  why does any of it have to be ANYbody's fault?

Why can't it just be circumstance?   There ARE such things as unintentional consequences, and therefore no fault.  Sounds to me, Regret, as if you are having problems accepting that sometimes, shit just happens.

Regret postulates that, for example, a man who throws himself in front of a bullet intended for another is a suicide, rather than the shooter simply being a murderer.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So a rape victim is responsible for catching the rapist's eye?

yes,

That's all I needed to hear.

Yeah, that's like saying it's our faults we were born.  No logic.

It's abhorrent on its very face.  It is the philosophy of the cabbage. 

[Idem]

of course you're not! the only thing you are responsible for is how you act and react.

So a rape victim is responsible for catching the rapist's eye?

yes, and the rapist is responsible for acting on his eye being caught.
and the victim is responsible for his or her level of resistance.
and the rapist is responsible for not killing himself.

Reminds me of those horrible WSIB Canadian "accident prevention" commercials.

your options are avoid or die. the milkman is responsible for the situation and you are responsible for the effects of choosing to live.

Also, would you technically belong to the milkman?   

[Jenne]

Yeah, I'm not understanding what the mental blockage is here.

[Reginald Ret]

Question:  why does any of it have to be ANYbody's fault?

Why can't it just be circumstance?   There ARE such things as unintentional consequences, and therefore no fault.  Sounds to me, Regret, as if you are having problems accepting that sometimes, shit just happens.

shit happens and how you handle shit happening is your responsibility.

where there is choice there is responsibility.

That's all I needed to hear.

crap. i knew someone was gonna jump on that one.
the reason i said yes is because catching is an active word so its something you do, and therefore i assumed you have the choice not to do it. if you have no choice in the matter then its something else but the situations where you have no choice are rarer then you think.

Yeah, that's like saying it's our faults we were born.  No logic.

there's no choice in being born.

Regret postulates that, for example, a man who throws himself in front of a bullet intended for another is a suicide, rather than the shooter simply being a murderer.

its suicide for the hero and murder for the shooter. there IS such a thing as shared responsibility. if the hero wasn't responsible for his actions that implies he had no choice. so why call him a hero then?

[Jenne]

There's no choice in avoiding an accident on the road and saving your life, either.  Who fucking cares about the car?

See, I think you are picking out minutia that in the end, don't fucking matter, and shouldn't matter, and if they do, in the scheme of things, that person focusing on it should just shoot themselves and get it over with because life is too damned short to live like that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

shit happens and how you handle shit happening is your responsibility.

Bullshit.  A bad act by one renders all of the consequences - and responsibility - on that one.

where there is choice there is responsibility.

The examples given gave no choices.  Only means to mitigate the bad actions of the originating individual.

crap. i knew someone was gonna jump on that one.

Yeah.  Huge holes in your argument can have that effect.

its suicide for the hero and murder for the shooter.

Okay.  Then we can cancel the life insurance policies of anyone who does so.  The secret service, for example.

It's a good thing your argument is fundamentally flawed, because your philosophy is a fucked up way to view the world.

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

i hereby declare Regret a RETARD

[The Good Reverend Roger]

There's no choice in avoiding an accident on the road and saving your life, either.  Who fucking cares about the car?

See, I think you are picking out minutia that in the end, don't fucking matter, and shouldn't matter, and if they do, in the scheme of things, that person focusing on it should just shoot themselves and get it over with because life is too damned short to live like that.

More to the point, we should just stop putting murderers in jail.

Or, conversely, we should sentence women who get raped. 

What do you say, Regret?  Would 20 years be enough to teach them to wear burkhas?

[Jenne]

The Talibs did that already--wait, no, they stoned them to death.

Feh, same difference.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The Talibs did that already--wait, no, they stoned them to death.

Feh, same difference.

WELL, SHE'S RESPONSIBLE FOR BEING RAPED!