Year of the Rat #9: Assburgers for EVERYBODY!

[Daruko]

Maybe it's also something we have removed from the system. Exercise. Back in the day when I was young, dumb, and full of cum we never just sat around watching tv or playing stupid games. We were active. Physically. Discipline has also been removed. Monkeys need to be punished when they are acting stupid, not 'timed out' or 'talked to sternly'. If we had a problem with each other we could pound the snot out of each other. While this never altered a personal position it did allow us to get the fuck over it and move on. Now this involves conformance training. And medication with some fancy label to excuse 'abnormal' behavior.

I agree with the first bit.  I think as far as the discipline goes, it really depends on temperament, among other things.  I know people who grew up in strict homes and got spankings who turned out horrible, and people who grew up in lenient homes and never received more than a time out that turned out to be wonderful people and very close to their families.  Switch it around, and you can find the same.  My kids get time outs, but if they absolutely refuse to sit down and take the time out, then the issue escalates to severe beatings (totally kidding).  But the point is, they know how to keep it at the "time out level".  I do raise my voice to my kids, but I wish I wouldn't because I've noticed that the louder you get, the louder you HAVE to get.   Some parents do no more than raise an eyebrow or use an off-tone and their kids know they better watch it... I can scream and stomp until I'm blue in the face, and mine still might not stop whatever they're doing. 

This is just where the "back in my day" goes a bit too far... back in the day when kids got whipped with razor straps and screamed at until their ears bled, the human race was still spitting out fucktards, and those fucktards in turn spat out their own fucktard juniors, who in turn either repeated the violence cycle or spoiled their children with no discipline and many crutches (anti-cycle but still OF that cycle).   I think the key with good discipline is to keep it consistent enough for the child to realize(eventually) that THEY are in control of the level of their punishment, not you.  I think fear is a messier motivator than awareness. 

Every child has individual needs, and the more they themselves understand those needs, the better off the child will be.  Not so they can say "I have ass burgers, I don't take time outs", but so they can say "Hmm, I have a tendency to act out irrationally, where is this leading me right now?"   Recently, I read Aldous Huxley's Island, and I felt that a lot of the ideas in that book about how to educate and discipline children were really good ideas.   I have a close friend whose parents are an inspiration to me, because they never raise their voices and never spank, and their kids have turned out awesome.  They're intelligent, calm, level-headed, creative and very close to their family.  However, that doesn't mean their brand of parenting works perfectly on MY children.  My kids are much more like me (which is often anything but calm or level-headed), so if I want to minimize the fear game and encourage self discipline, I've gotta get a bit creative. 

just rambling, what the hell do I know.

yeah.

[Adios]

I did not advocate beatings but punishment. If I ever had to raise my voice to my children they knew it also brought a swat on the rear. Huge difference between abuse and punishment. If my kids had ever threatened to call social services on me I would have given them a reason and they knew it. I told them so. It's not about fear. It's about the realization that certain behavior brings certain reactions.

[Daruko]

I did not advocate beatings but punishment. If I ever had to raise my voice to my children they knew it also brought a swat on the rear. Huge difference between abuse and punishment. If my kids had ever threatened to call social services on me I would have given them a reason and they knew it. I told them so. It's not about fear. It's about the realization that certain behavior brings certain reactions.

Quite sensible.   I just like the idea of breaking away from the reward/punishment method of discipline when/if I see the opportunity to do it differently.   Sorry if it sounded like I put words in your mouth.

[Adios]

I did not advocate beatings but punishment. If I ever had to raise my voice to my children they knew it also brought a swat on the rear. Huge difference between abuse and punishment. If my kids had ever threatened to call social services on me I would have given them a reason and they knew it. I told them so. It's not about fear. It's about the realization that certain behavior brings certain reactions.

Quite sensible.   I just like the idea of breaking away from the reward/punishment method of discipline when/if I see the opportunity to do it differently.   Sorry if it sounded like I put words in your mouth.

No problems. I enjoyed your input.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think were might be facing challenges based on a social evolution of some sort.

Every generation seems to eventually make the same statements about the next generation;"Dern Kids ain't got no Discipline anymore, the long haired emo freaks! They have it so much better, and they just waste all that opportunity! When I was a kid..."

I've given this a lot of thought, and I have to wonder if it doesn't relate to a sort of 'generational BiP'. That is, it seems to me that almost every generation, once its gotten older, seems to think that the SHIT is about to HIT the fan... an almost apocalyptic view of the End of THE WORLD (or maybe THEIR WORLD). And, really, it is, isn't it? The world I was born into had 4 channels on television and you had to rotate the antenna to get from one channel to the next. Gasoline was under a dollar a gallon. I got spanked in High School by the Principal for not doing my homework... While political nonsense was happening, it certainly didn't feel as intense and insane as what we have now does... but, how much of that is ACTUAL, and how much of that is based partially (or entirely) on my BiP. Hell, the Iran Contra affair was boiling when I was a kid... but in my perception it was some weird tv show that kept interrupting the good stuff.

Are doomsday cults (including Christianity) so popular, because each generation sees it's own demise... the End of the World... the world they see from their BiP?

So back to social evolution....

Society seems to be constantly changing, like interacting processes, creating causal feedback loops (hat tip to RAW)... one thing happens in society, which inspires something else, which inspires something totally 'new'. Consider music in the 20th Century, for example, Rag turned into Big Band, which was part of an African-American feedback loop, meanwhile the Blues (another part of the feedback loop) and Chuck Berry inspired some kid with a guitar and blue suede shoes. That further inspired the Rock and Roll feedback loop, some Brits showed up and next thing you know there are Power Chord ballads, which, for someone who grew up on Tommy Dorsey, probably sounds like total nonsense.

What was forbidden two generations ago, is embraced now. What was forbidden a single generation ago, seems tolerated now. In this constantly shifting maelstrom, I don't find it all that surprising that we end up with social misfits. Not only as people that may not fit with the latest social evolutions, but as failed experiments as well. I mean, not only are they getting feedback from the currently active social processes around them, they're getting feedback from guardians and teachers that may still be full of "shrapnel" from the social processes of 20 years ago. If they're dealing with very religious parents, then they also have feedback from a social process that is maybe 2000 years old.

[P3nT4gR4m]

STFU!

It's much funnier when no one knows this shit

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Rat, you got SPANKED in HIGH SCHOOL??? WTF? Did you go to a Catholic high school or something? Because I didn't think you were any older than me, and that just seems bizarre to me.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Rat, you got SPANKED in HIGH SCHOOL??? WTF? Did you go to a Catholic high school or something? Because I didn't think you were any older than me, and that just seems bizarre to me.

I graduated in 1993, my freshman year (1989) I got spanked in a public High School. True Story.

[Adios]

Rat, you got SPANKED in HIGH SCHOOL??? WTF? Did you go to a Catholic high school or something? Because I didn't think you were any older than me, and that just seems bizarre to me.

Heh. I'm 54 and even the teachers could take us out to the hall and paddle us.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Rat, you got SPANKED in HIGH SCHOOL??? WTF? Did you go to a Catholic high school or something? Because I didn't think you were any older than me, and that just seems bizarre to me.

Heh. I'm 54 and even the teachers could take us out to the hall and paddle us.

We had teachers that paddled students, though usually that was for behavior issues in class... rather than not doing homework. 

I recall our 9th grade science teacher taking the stoners out in the hall from time to time for a "Whoupin"

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Jesus fuck.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Jesus fuck.

Granted that was in Philo, Ohio with a graduating class of 300 or so... they were still paddling kids when I left and spent my Junior and Senior year in vocational school... I didn't see any spankings there.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I think corporal punishment in schools was outlawed in Oregon a very long time ago, because even when I was a kid in the 70's I never heard of such a thing.

[LMNO]

I liked the OP.

[fomenter]

they had the strap back when i was in school ... asperger's for every one is in a large part due to the multi billion dollar profits and the bribing of doctors to diagnose / prescribe the meds . children acting "like children " is now a symptom . we just ran around the neighbourhood till we were tired