Indecision 08 Wingnut thread

[Cramulus]

Oh yeah forgot about that part. 

So, now that Bush will be out and Obama will be in, does that mean MSNBC becomes the Fox News and Fox News becomes the MSNBC? 

This will be very interesting because for most of Fox News' and MSNBC's existence, GWB has been in power.  It will be interesting to see how they evolve during this power shift. 

oh my GOD you just reminded me--
that's basically what Jon Stewart was wondering last night as he TORE APART Fox News Anchor Chris Wallace. I've gotta find the link, it's Stewart shitting his hate like I haven't seen since he basically got Crossfire cancelled.

[trippinprincezz13]

hah, I saw that last night. That was great.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=209408&title=Chris-Wallace&byDate=true

ETA: meh, nevermind. Didn't see Cram's thread before I posted this...

[Iason Ouabache]

And so the post-mortem begins:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27568012/

According to some from the McCain camp, Palin was directly involved in the purchasing of the clothes that caused the big brouhaha.  Apparently she went hogwild clothing herself and her clan.  And some in the RNC were quite displeased with how much she had spent. 

Also, according to one of the sources, Palin couldn't name the countries involved in NAFTA.  The North American Free Trade Agreement.  I know it's pretty rough to be able to come up with the 3 countries in North America.  Especially when you live in one of them, are a head of a State that borders Canada, and are trying to court the Hispanic vote.  Anyhoo.

Also, she thinks Africa is one big country. 

But the best part was that she wanted to give a speech as a part of the Concession speech.  The heads of the campaign pretty much told her "Fuck no!" 

I'm thinking that as soon as McCain wrapped up his speech, and they were off stage he told Palin to get lost.

I can't wait until 2012 now. 

[Elder Iptuous]

I can't wait until 2012 now. 

I'm sure the campaigning will begin this upcoming year...

[Jenne]

Repost/cock, but it fits

[AFK]

Breaking:  AP is calling North Carolina for Obama.  So, final score Obama 364, McCain 173

[Jenne]

Damn.  If that ain't a clear as day bitchslap to the GOP, I don't know WHAT is.

[Iason Ouabache]

Damn.  If that ain't a clear as day bitchslap to the GOP, I don't know WHAT is.

Haven't you heard?  Bush winning by 3.5 million = Mandate. Obama winning by 7.5 million = not a mandate. Robert Novak said so!!!

http://www.suntimes.com/news/novak/1260688,CST-NWS-novak05.article

He may have opened the door to enactment of the long-deferred liberal agenda, but he neither received a broad mandate from the public nor the needed large congressional majorities.

[AFK]

The ONLY demographic that McCain won was the 65+ demographic.  And the 65+ women was actually pretty close.  The DEMs won young men and women, 30-65 yo men and women, blacks, latinos, the jewish vote, I believe they even won the evangelical vote.

So, basically as of today, the GOP are the old white guy party.  If they don't find a way to appeal to some of these, GROWING, demographics, they are fucked for the next two decades at least.  And no, Palin is not their ticket.  However, I think they do have some promise with Gov. Jindal from Lousiana.  They need to approach that angle if they have any hope at being competetive.  Either that, or cross their fingers that the Dems royally screw the pooch, which as we've seen, is quite possible AND likely.  

[Jenne]

I'm hoping the Dems see they were fuckin' lucky with McCain's choice in running mate, and that if he'd have had the balls to choose Joe Lieberman, there might still be a race going or they might have lost.  Palin screwed their pooch but good.

Nonetheless, it's a wait-and-see as we watch the GOP scramble to look less and less catastrophic.  Their pleadings of "real change" got the "yeah, right" sarcasm from every corner but the oldsters.  And I was going to say something age-ist about that, but I'll leave it for now since obvious comment is obvious.

[fomenter]

that the Dem's royally screw the pooch, which as we've seen, is quite possible AND likely. inevitable

my post election cynicism is out of control, i will wish the Dem's and Obama the best of luck and i am glad the young are taking a interest but if past performance is any indication there will soon be a large group of cynical young voters saying WTF was i so optimistic about.

[AFK]

Well that depends on their level of expectations.  If they listend to Obama's acceptance speech, and if they listened to his previous speeches, they'd know he has never promised immediate solutions.  That is simply not in the cards right now.  The best he can offer in one term is the beginning of progress, not the entirety of it. 

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Voters' expectations are never realistic. Obama and the new Congress need to get something big pushed through ASAP to avoid breaking the electoral system (further) for a very long time. If all the wide-eyed optimists are disappointed in 2010, that'll be the end of the Democrats for a while.

[fomenter]

my cynicism runs deep...  the change he promised will  be no solution, the change that happens will benefit the few and hurt the people. the comment i just made would apply to a McCain presidency no less than an Obama presidency...  

its out of control way out of control,

[Jenne]

Voters' expectations are never realistic. Obama and the new Congress need to get something big pushed through ASAP to avoid breaking the electoral system (further) for a very long time. If all the wide-eyed optimists are disappointed in 2010, that'll be the end of the Democrats for a while.

...smells like universal healthcare...