Discourse 24: Monsters

[fullmooner]

But the questionn is, am I my own monster, regardless of blame?

[Trollax]

Yes.

[fullmooner]

Then things truly ARE out of my hands then? No matter how hard I try? and is that my monster?

[Trollax]

Then things truly ARE out of my hands then? No matter how hard I try? and is that my monster?

so you are saying that because you are not your monster you are not the things you have done? Maybe so... but that means that you are nothing you have done.

[fullmooner]

I am only questioning that maybe some of the things I do are really out of my control.

[Horab Fibslager]

maybe they are. however it doesn't make you any less responsible for them.

there is a difference between repsonsibility and blame.

if you bump somebody etc and cause them to miss their bus, you are responsible for them missing htier bus, however itdoesn't mean they should kick your ass for it or whatever.

[fullmooner]

Then maybe the definitioin of responsibility should be only that we are in charge of only what we can control, otherwise, what we cannot control, regardless of our attendance to it or not, would overrun ourselves with the need to fix everything we do wrong. In a sense, it makes the definitions of right and wrong a good bit harder.

[Trollax]

Then maybe the definitioin of responsibility should be only that we are in charge of only what we can control, otherwise, what we cannot control, regardless of our attendance to it or not, would overrun ourselves with the need to fix everything we do wrong. In a sense, it makes the definitions of right and wrong a good bit harder.

Why bothering to define what is right and wrong? We are in charge of everything around us whether or not we can effect it directly. It's not an intellectual or a moral proposition, it's like that old question:
"What is the face you had before you were born?"
It's not something you can approach about right and wrong, if you're thinking box-wise then you could say it's in an entirely different arena. It's not about who did what or what punishment was metered out, it's about how those things affect our relationship to those events personally. Sure, bad things can happen, does that mean evil walks among us? If truth is relative then there is no way you can answer that convincingly, Things happen. People... real people get caught in the middle and make stupid mistakes. They are accountable to what they have done, but are they accountable to our judgements in the sense that we can forever label them as criminals, deviants, or monsters? You can answer that all you like, but it doesn't ahve to be the truth.

[fullmooner]

Perhaps I merely fear my responsibility for accountability means my immorality. Goodness knows I get blamed often enough for this crap. Gets wearing on the sense of "Could I have made that better?"

[Trollax]

Perhaps I merely fear my responsibility for accountability means my immorality. Goodness knows I get blamed often enough for this crap. Gets wearing on the sense of "Could I have made that better?"

*Hands fullmooner a large pitcher of alcoholic beverage*

That's alright. But who are you going to believe? Some nutcase fundamentalist right-wing conservative looney who would seell their own children to buy patriot bonds who rants at you for jaywalking when the street's under 4 feet of snow and the plough won't make it through until wednesday?

Or you?  

[fullmooner]

All I am moping about is that it would be damned nice is SOMEONE else though I was right for a change instead of just me. I feel so damned alone.

[Trollax]

All I am moping about is that it would be damned nice is SOMEONE else though I was right for a change instead of just me. I feel so damned alone.

Two things I never trust...

People who always tell me I'm wrong.
People who always tell me I'm right.







Trust me... Never trust anyone who says trust me...

[fullmooner]

What about the other stuff they say about you? Granted, I TRY not to listen, but when enough people say the same thing, I no longer feel as happy believing me.

[Trollax]

What about the other stuff they say about you? Granted, I TRY not to listen, but when enough people say the same thing, I no longer feel as happy believing me.

True Story...

After 3 years of everyone else at my highscfhool telling me I stank... I invested in soap. However, afterwards people telling me I stink still occurred on a regular basis.

Sometimes there is an element of truth to people's maliciousness. Sometimes there isn't like the idea that I wanted to form a doomsday cult and kill half the world and shoot up the school. Or the one about me believing I had visions and was the new messiah etc. etc.

In short, trust your judgement because more often than not people insult you because they are fucked up.

[fullmooner]

If I were the killing kind......You'd think with all the training I had of dealing with the maliciousness of other people I would not be taking them so damnedably.