too much

[Janvier]

If posit x is correct, than the light at the end of the tunnel is indeed tended to... By those who are yet to come. Everyone who trips now, reading Leary's and other trips,
is the tender. We are gods watched over by gods yet to come. Like Nietzsche points out: man is both creature and creator.

What are the practical consequences?
Well, it's quite simple. The people who use LSD write history. Literally.

Tripping is the refined form of something present throughout history: creativity. The mushrooms and other psychedelics have been the reason of progression of ideas.
The psychedelics let ideas "evolve", and idea precedes reality. Leary didn't bother to explain things,
because he thought people would piece this together by themselves. He didn't understand they wouldn't be able to if he fed it to kids...
But of course, the kids are a lot more easily convinced of the merits. I see it a bit like this:

All men have piles of assumptions, their maya, their illusion, and the longer they stay wrapped in it, the more difficult it becomes to break it down.
So it is easier for children to be made free of maya. But that isn't necessarily good... Because a child free of maya might forget the necessity of it.
More maya means growth, intellectual and spiritual.
      V
O ------------------------------------------<={4@&*(

The line is maya, and the V is the individual, travelling from no maya to overcomplication, only to collapse and return to no maya.
The maya you internalize during this cycle feeds the next. Using LSD will return you to no maya instantly. But if one remains open to the way of maya and no maya, he may consider his actions as well as their repercussions simultaneously.

And that is how I use it. I soak up information like a sponge, internalize it, go back to an enlightened state so I may rearrange it into the truth of the future,
then start over again. Every cycle feeds experience to a new supercycle, which in turn feeds another new supercycle, which in turn feeds another supercycle, and this may go on forever, depending on one's taste.
1. Superstition/Art/Religion
2. Philosophy
3. Pseudoscience
4. Competing theory
5. Revolution!

The universe is thought-like. It folds in upon itself and creates links between different places in space-time.
Through the bi-lateral flow of ideas between these two places, creativity arises. The exchange gives each more than they had before.
Thus Christ's strength and ability to do miracles is derived from the many people who read and believed it.

Organisms are separate of their manifestation. By using structure they can build themselves on many different layers, one of which being the material world.

When Plato introduces the "problem" of infinite regress in the Parmenides, he isn't introducing a problem at all. He is proposing a resolution. The progression of ideas, their evolution, growth.

True Trolling = Philosophy. It is the noblest of tasks. It means to take a community on the internet on a massive trip... to move them all to a different state of mind.

PEOPLE ONLY DISAGREE WHEN THEY DO NOT UNDERSTAND EACHOTHER
WITH MISUNDERSTANDING, THEY DRIFT APART INTO THEIR OWN WORLDS
WITH UNDERSTANDING, THEY COME CLOSER TO EACHOTHER

Those who understand this and troll probably do so to explore the depths of their mind while doing the same with their victim. They are today's sophists.
MEMETIC REINCARNATION MEMETIC REINCARNATION MEMETIC REINCARNATION MEMETIC REINCATNATION MEMETIC REINCARNATION
Memetic reincarnation is the concept that through the strength of their rhetoric, some men are able to hijack the impressionable (or perhaps drug-addled) mind,
and continue their work shaping history. Expand this to include the fact that all people have an influence proportional to the strength of their character over the magnitude of their exposure to the subject, and you have a model that encompasses all of consciousness.

Why has violence declined? Because Law was created. Law alters the structure of the brain, it alters the possible trains of thought one can take, it directs a man's decisions.
But the imposition of order leads to the escalation of disorder. Law engages humanity with language games. As we put more constraints on ourselves in the material world,
conflict moves to a higher level of abstraction. I propose that human cruelty has remained the same over time, but has merely changed in character. We no longer cut off
someone's hands, we now fine him. But in the days of old, the man had nothing but his own body. We are in Plato's Cave. We are being engaged mentally,
which restrains us from action. But we can be free! There are two ways: the way of truth and the way of perception.
The way of Perception is the empirical method, the mechanism that has made the world as complex as it is. They create complexity by looking for what is not there, for it
is indeed as they say: seek and you shall find. But what you find might be something other than what you expected, or it might have unexpected side effects. To cope with
the side effects and new questions thrown up, we look for even more, and more, and more, and more, and more...
WE ARE THE DREAMS OF OUR ANCESTORS
IDENTITY CAN BE SUBJECT TO MEMETIC EXCHANGE AND MODIFICATION

The strength of our resolve hinges on how much we are willing to consider compared to our adversary. Open-mindedness pays.
It almost seems like this is just my trip, but it's so strong it carries others along. Just like that one verse in the Art of War...
But that's the entire point, isn't it? That's the proof that the paradigm has shifted/will shift.
My theory was that LSD + Neurolinguistic Programming allows you to control the thoughts of the universe.
And since the universe is thought-like and thought precedes matter, this offers practically infinite capabilities, constrained only by our imagination.

What it means to be one with god:
To worship God in the church
To worship science in the sciences
To worship me in philosophy
To worship music in the concert
And to worship information on the web

[pulling ahead again? - I'm a trickster, don't you know?]


Here I am, a pothead philosopher. Do you understand my predicament? I will be judged for what my interests are, rather than what my character is.
But believe it, or not: you can help me! Just by reading this, you become the RNA "reader", as I am the crude DNA which you can edit and use freely.
  I will not permit any to take part in all my secrets until they have read every last letter of my way (or until you figure out this is impossible, silly - or maybe until you realize that to become me, you have to best me), but I'm willing to relinquish enough along the way to keep it interesting.

[Eve]

I smoke a lot of pot too, but I'm not posting my bullshit philosophy all over the place. I'd be more interested in this if you weren't trying to claim that drugs are the only means of creativity. And if it was at all organized.

[Janvier]

I smoke a lot of pot too, but I'm not posting my bullshit philosophy all over the place. I'd be more interested in this if you weren't trying to claim that drugs are the only means of creativity. And if it was at all organized.

It reads top to bottom. Not that hard really. And once you learn to both accept and reject the hypothesis that drugs are the source of all creativity, you are good to go.

Look, I'm not saying drugs are the only means of creativity (or am I?). But they are to a druggie. And this is my trip, beeyotch.
Unless you can prove it to be your trip.

[Janvier]

I smoke a lot of pot too, but I'm not posting my bullshit philosophy all over the place. I'd be more interested in this if you weren't trying to claim that drugs are the only means of creativity. And if it was at all organized.

(Hey, psst, what does refine mean in "Tripping is the refined form of something present throughout history: creativity."?)

[LMNO]

I miss Cat~Maxwell.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

I'm just wondering where Jav gets acid laced weed.

[AFK]

It's a new trend in marijuana.  Lots of dealers are experimenting with different additives and techniques to separate their product from their competitions.  Designer drugs are becoming more of a norm. 

[Darth Cupcake]

It's a new trend in marijuana.  Lots of dealers are experimenting with different additives and techniques to separate their product from their competitions.  Designer drugs are becoming more of a norm. 

I stumbled onto some of that once. I didn't smoke anything again for YEARS because it was such an unpleasant experience. Of course, I don't think that's the normal reaction...

[LMNO]

Why can't they just lace it with PCP, like when I was a child?



LMNO
-stay away from that shit.  SRSLY.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

People who buy laced weed are doing it wrong.

Janvier, while your trip may indeed be your trip, that doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing a good job of interpreting it into semantics which other people can grok. It also (and perhaps more importantly) doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing a good job of interpreting it for your own neurological system. Not even Leary thought that the Drug was the answer... it was a great shortcut to existing human brain function in his model. There are other ways to evoke the same sort of creative energy without LSD... (see also Tantra).

I think the poetic content of your post is good. I particularly liked::

I Everyone who trips now, reading Leary's and other trips, is the tender. We are gods watched over by gods yet to come. Like Nietzsche points out: man is both creature and creator.

I agree. People who trip now have an expectation of tripping, because they have a preexisting notion about tripping, from Leary, Gonzo or someone. Based on my experience, I think our expectations and state of mind heavily influence the trip. After all, the world around us tries to match our expectations, (We are all Greater Artists than we realize) psychedelics seem to stretch that concept to the brink of silliness.

Otherwise, I think you may need to ponder the possibility that you might benefit from more meditation, with a dose of post-modern antibodies. Just because something may appear true in some sense... doesn't mean that it isn't actually bullshit in another sense.



Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
POEE of the Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal
 

[hooplala]

Weed is no more interesting than beer.

Not to say that beer isn't interesting, but its nothing special.  Neither is weed.

[Cramulus]

weed laced with acid? that couldn't possibly work.
are you telling me that if you smoke blotter paper, it'd still have an effect? that can't be right. I'm no biochemist, but I imagine burning LSD would destroy it.

plz correct me if I'm wrong.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

You are probably right.  I haven't done acid since high school.  Wait, maybe college?  I'll have to think on it.

So he must be dropping a hit, then smoking.  Or he is smoking a 'primo'.  Or he's just on crack.

[Janvier]

People who buy laced weed are doing it wrong.

Janvier, while your trip may indeed be your trip, that doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing a good job of interpreting it into semantics which other people can grok. It also (and perhaps more importantly) doesn't mean that you're necessarily doing a good job of interpreting it for your own neurological system. Not even Leary thought that the Drug was the answer... it was a great shortcut to existing human brain function in his model. There are other ways to evoke the same sort of creative energy without LSD... (see also Tantra).

I agree. It's more of a gateway drug. It swings open the doors of perception so to speak.

I think the poetic content of your post is good. I particularly liked::

I Everyone who trips now, reading Leary's and other trips, is the tender. We are gods watched over by gods yet to come. Like Nietzsche points out: man is both creature and creator.

I agree. People who trip now have an expectation of tripping, because they have a preexisting notion about tripping, from Leary, Gonzo or someone. Based on my experience, I think our expectations and state of mind heavily influence the trip. After all, the world around us tries to match our expectations, (We are all Greater Artists than we realize) psychedelics seem to stretch that concept to the brink of silliness.

Indeed. Which is why the psychedelics user is regarded as a clown, even though he might know more than he lets on. Leary refers to the Zen school of Crazy Wisdom. Consider this possibility:
The LSD lets Leary and others on it write on a certain frequency. Writing on that frequency encourages people reading it to take it, indeed paired with the expectation of what effects it will bring about. No wonder Leary mentioned telepathy, photographic memory, undercover spooks, etc.
I think I can trip by just staying up until night, or just riding other people's waves. And another possibility still is that it has nothing to do at all with the actual chemical content, and everything with the expectations built up about its effect between the time of production and the time of consumption. That would be in line with a completely memetic worldview.

Otherwise, I think you may need to ponder the possibility that you might benefit from more meditation, with a dose of post-modern antibodies. Just because something may appear true in some sense... doesn't mean that it isn't actually bullshit in another sense.

I try to stay aware of the truth and the bullshit senses simultaneously, questioning everything.

Ratatosk, Squirrel of Discord
Chatterer of the Words of Eris
Muncher of the ChaoAcorn
POEE of the Great Googlie Mooglie Cabal

Janvier the Omnipotent Shaman (But He Just Doesn't Feel Like Proving It Right Now)
Court Jester of Her Majesty Eris Discordia

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Weed is no more interesting than beer.

Not to say that beer isn't interesting, but its nothing special.  Neither is weed.

I disagree by far, but I imagine that it may depend heavily on the individual. Beer makes me feel tipsy or drunk, after which I usually sit on the couch and watch a movie, or something of that nature. Weed, however, tends to be something that I can use anytime without reducing me to a couch potato.

Even without arguing the value of Madical Marijuana, marijuana appears to have far less harmful and more interesting side effects than beer, at least, that's how it appears to me.

Also, LSD laced weed is silly, for the reasons Cram mentioned. You'd be far more likely to start tripping by packing the bowl, than by smoking the weed. Further, the times when weed is laced, it tends to be for one of two reasons, to make the baggie seem more heavy, or to get an individual addicted to a substance. Acid isn't gonna do either and ... in fact, I think the dealer would probably lose some serious money... It would probably take 15 or 20 hits to really 'lace' an 1/8 of pot.

Angel Dust, maybe... if you're buying from a crack dealer or some dude on the corner.

Always buy your weed from someone you know and trust.

Janvier,

I think you're adding a bunch of nonsense in with useful ideas. I grok what you're saying, but I think you're trying to make something out of nothing. Leary on Acid didn't write at a magical frequency (or at least, I don't think that's the case). Rather, Leary, in person, had enough Charisma that people felt excited about what he said. He had a vision that was great, if you were looking at a Nixon Whitehouse and all your friends being shipped off to a Jungle full of bullets.

Outside of that, Leary seriously fucked up. I personally think that psychedelics CAN, in the right situation, be a useful, powerful and extremely cool tool. However, as Leary himself stated... it depends on Set, Setting and Dosage. Leary lost sight of that and passed the shit out like candy on Campuses filled with anti-war unrest, social upheaval and teenagers... set, setting and dosage went out the window and the results were, well what the results are.

Leary, in my opinion, was brilliant, until  he could no longer separate the useful from the bullshit, or did too much acid or let his ego run out of control. That flaw causes me to consider the claim that Acid opens your eyes to be likely bullshit.