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Started by Kai, October 26, 2008, 04:18:00 PM

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Quote from: Richter on February 16, 2009, 07:53:50 PM
I had a buddy at work who I'd often talk with about this.  He was fairly experienced in martial arts, had done some Reiki, and was an avid gamer.  I've done some martial arts too, and when discussing various things, I'd always try to attribute various effects of "Chi" to psychosomatic effects, physics tricks, etc.
His take was that, as if we were qualifiying ourselves as D+D 3rd ed. characters, I was trying to explain a WIS (Wisdom) based skill in INT (Intelligence) terms.  The effect, the mechanism, the manifestation can certainly be described in empirical terms, but the act of producing it required a certain state of mind or focus that you can only really get internally.  Nothing weird or mystical, more like riding a bike.  You can never TELL someone, or write down how to ride a bike.  You can't consciously direct every motion to balance a bike either.  Everyone has to do it and get the intuitive sense for it themselves.   

THIS ... Is why, in my opinion, it's called martial ART

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Kai

Thank you for reviving this thread.


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Quote from: East Coast Hustle on October 26, 2008, 06:20:45 PM
I think it is very likely that humans are MUCH more capable of consciously manipulating their internal processes than "conventional wisdom" (what a silly term!) would indicate. I'm not informed enough to have an opinion on the framework you use to achieve that end other than to say that if it works for you, keep doing it.

On top of this our sense organs and imagination have far greater potential than they are typically given credit for. A great deal of health is due in part by the way the person feels about themselves even if they are not aware of the thought patterns, i believe it is possible to find these patterns and alter them to become more beneficial.

One of the simplest and most important chi gung exercises (which i occasionally do but should do more) is the inner smile. Where you smile at each of your five major organs (Lungs, metal; Liver, wood; Kidney, water;  Heart, fire; Spleen, earth). Then smile down your throat to your digestive system then from pineal gland down spinal column.

The taoist geography of the body is very interesting, and worth exploring. By mapping the psyche on the body, we turn our sense's inward and can interpret understand messages our body gives us in a language that we can understand, this way averting serious illness before it surfaces or creatively alter previous imbalance for greater cohesion and direction (or directionlessness)

be warned im about to dump big time into this thread with my knowledge
MASSIVE knowlege

until then check out Jerry Alan Johnson he has published a large amount of chi gung info in english
http://www.qigongmedicine.com/

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Quote from: Ratatosk on May 06, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
LOL "knowledge"

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Quote from: Ratatosk on May 06, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
LOL "knowledge"

Rat, I think your balls are hanging out your fly.

Or you have a small, hairy tumor.

Your serif appears to be dangling :p
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Quote from: Ratatosk on May 06, 2009, 08:19:05 PM
LOL "knowledge"

Rat, I think your balls are hanging out your fly.

Or you have a small, hairy tumor.

I'm a squirrel, my balls are always hanging out.
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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Quote from: LMNO on May 06, 2009, 08:09:55 PM
And be warned, I'm going to ignore you.

MASSIVELY ignore you.







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Im sorry i didnt here you what did you say

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Quote from: LMNO on May 07, 2009, 06:15:06 PM
http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/

:argh!: KRYPTONITE  :argh!:

no really i dont know shit, but i thought it would be funny to make a joke on that note.  :horrormirth:

Within the daoist system there is Chi, Jing, Shen.

Chi is breath, it is movement and change
Jing, is the initial essence the driving force of being
Shen is the spirit, the psche to a lesser or greater degree

There are two types of chi
chi that is obtained through the parents prior to birth
chi that is obtained from food, water, air, trolling

chi gung is the process of becoming mindful of the chi that one consumes and to regulate it to bring about optimum efficiency of being.

Kai

You know, some of this sounds interesting, but its not really in a language base/set that I understand. Maybe you could honor me with translating it into a more common dialogue? :)

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Quote from: Novatore on May 08, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
Chi is breath, it is movement and change
Jing, is the initial essence the driving force of being
Shen is the spirit, the psche to a lesser or greater degree

There are two types of chi
chi that is obtained through the parents prior to birth
chi that is obtained from food, water, air, trolling

chi gung is the process of becoming mindful of the chi that one consumes and to regulate it to bring about optimum efficiency of being.

Specifically, the bolded words you used currently have a value of "meaningless" to one as ignorant as I. Please to be further explaining such concepts?

Kai

Quote from: LMNO on May 10, 2009, 12:51:35 AM
Quote from: Novatore on May 08, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
Chi is breath, it is movement and change
Jing, is the initial essence the driving force of being
Shen is the spirit, the psche to a lesser or greater degree

There are two types of chi
chi that is obtained through the parents prior to birth
chi that is obtained from food, water, air, trolling

chi gung is the process of becoming mindful of the chi that one consumes and to regulate it to bring about optimum efficiency of being.

Specifically, the bolded words you used currently have a value of "meaningless" to one as ignorant as I. Please to be further explaining such concepts?

Well, not really meaningless, rather that those words have different meanings for me than they do in this context, and I can TELL they are important terms, but I don't have enough context to come to terms with the author.
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Quote from: Kai on May 10, 2009, 02:17:18 PM
Quote from: LMNO on May 10, 2009, 12:51:35 AM
Quote from: Novatore on May 08, 2009, 05:18:53 PM
Chi is breath, it is movement and change
Jing, is the initial essence the driving force of being
Shen is the spirit, the psche to a lesser or greater degree

There are two types of chi
chi that is obtained through the parents prior to birth
chi that is obtained from food, water, air, trolling

chi gung is the process of becoming mindful of the chi that one consumes and to regulate it to bring about optimum efficiency of being.

Specifically, the bolded words you used currently have a value of "meaningless" to one as ignorant as I. Please to be further explaining such concepts?

Well, not really meaningless, rather that those words have different meanings for me than they do in this context, and I can TELL they are important terms, but I don't have enough context to come to terms with the author.

You're right.  It's not the kind of thing that's easily written down easily.  Translation doesn't help these things much either.  Like riding a bicycle.

Hillariously though, WITHOUT said context, you can swap the words around and still come up with a mostly coherent statement.  :)
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