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Is it mad science time yet?

Started by Vene, November 04, 2008, 10:50:28 PM

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Vene

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jnxO97jd634fAvkC46oZ2I7ZMwgg
"Japanese scientists said Tuesday they had created a mouse from a dead cell frozen for 16 years, taking a step in the long impossible dream of bringing back extinct animals such as mammoths."

"Cells from dead bodies have previously been useless as they are ruined in the freezing process. But Wakayama's team discovered a way to extract a nucleus intact from a frozen cell by grinding cell tissues into multiple pieces.

The cloned mouse was able to reproduce with a female mouse, it added."

"But Akira Iritani, a mammoth expert at Kinki University in Osaka, said it was only a matter of time before researchers could find a mammoth for a resurrection project."

Kai

The problem being, how would you work the gestation period.
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BADGE OF HONOR

Quote from: Kai on November 04, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
The problem being, how would you work the gestation period.

They're not that different from elephants, so it would probably be around 22 months.  Probably a little more, since they're bigger than modern African elephants.
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Kai

Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on November 05, 2008, 08:28:37 AM
Quote from: Kai on November 04, 2008, 11:16:40 PM
The problem being, how would you work the gestation period.

They're not that different from elephants, so it would probably be around 22 months.  Probably a little more, since they're bigger than modern African elephants.

Thats just it though. Would gestation within an elephant actually work? With the mouse situation the gestation is within its own species. Is the Mammoth really that similar to the asian or african elephant?

AFAIK, there have been no cross species gestations as of yet.
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Cain

They should grow the mammoth in a test-tube.

A really, really big test-tube.

Vene

Even without the mammoth bit I think this is pretty cool.  They cloned a dead cell.  Wait, does this make the mouse a zombie?

Rhaythe

Great. Now we have to look out for an eventual horde of brain eating mice.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

This is COOL. Also disturbing! Whoa. What's next? Will rich people line up to pay to gestate clones of dead famous people?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Seriously, that's how I'd make money with this. "You want to gestate a clone of Andrew Jackson? OK, $40,000."
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Iason Ouabache

Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2008, 04:59:50 PM
Seriously, that's how I'd make money with this. "You want to gestate a clone of Andrew Jackson? OK, $40,000."
Oh shit!  Just think how much we could make by stealing the Holy Prepuce and holding it for ransom!!!!
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Vene

Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
This is COOL. Also disturbing! Whoa. What's next? Will rich people line up to pay to gestate clones of dead famous people?
I'm thinking more along the lines of having rich people line up to freeze their cells.  Kind of hard to do this without a viable nucleus.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Vene on November 06, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
This is COOL. Also disturbing! Whoa. What's next? Will rich people line up to pay to gestate clones of dead famous people?
I'm thinking more along the lines of having rich people line up to freeze their cells.  Kind of hard to do this without a viable nucleus.

I thought the point of the article was that they cloned a dead cell?
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Kai

Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2008, 07:15:27 PM
Quote from: Vene on November 06, 2008, 06:03:39 PM
Quote from: Nigel on November 06, 2008, 04:58:12 PM
This is COOL. Also disturbing! Whoa. What's next? Will rich people line up to pay to gestate clones of dead famous people?
I'm thinking more along the lines of having rich people line up to freeze their cells.  Kind of hard to do this without a viable nucleus.

I thought the point of the article was that they cloned a dead cell?

They cloned a dead cell that was frozen, thus saving the nucleus. If the cell isn't frozen while living the nucleus breaks down and this technique is inoperative.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Well, there has to be a shit ton of rich and famous people who had themselves frozen, so my profiteering scheme could still work.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."