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Started by Richter, November 02, 2008, 05:02:33 AM

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Quote from: GA on November 03, 2008, 08:03:06 PM
Quote from: nostalgicBadger on November 03, 2008, 08:01:36 PM
Perhaps, Cramulus, but without the human element, aren't privacy and freedom merely abstract concepts as well?

It's very possible that I'm missing the point, but if the idea was to create a sense of tension between conflicting drives toward freedom and protection, I do strongly feel that involving the reader as a human would strengthen the piece. Otherwise, the death of the person doesn't really feel like a sacrifice.

If that's not what you're going for, I suppose I just don't get it. Perhaps you could explain.

It works better with the characters left vague - chances are the reader can imagine a relative who might fall asleep behind the wheel.

It could work both ways.
Those who'd see it done differnent are welcomed to do so.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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I wonder how a pro-safety nut would respond to this... hmmm i'm sending this to my mom.

will post her reply later if its funny and if i don't forget.


PS not implying that she's nuts, only more pro-safety than me.
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Nice rant! And, more to the point, a great illustration of why this shit happens. Most of it isn't down to Eviltm bastards who want us all to be miserable. It's because some kid wandered off the edge of a cliff and a bunch of people got upset and built a fence which totally killed the view. Understandable maybe but, nonetheless, we can't see the ocean now. :argh!:

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Quote from: GA on November 03, 2008, 02:58:18 PM
This is good.

(Should it be "processed stuff" instead of "unprocessed stuff" ?)
no it shouldnt it should be raw data instead of some human test dummy. draws the deattachment most people get in tragic things when after they learn what the press tells them they go eh and move onto the next thing, its not personal for a reason because for most people tragic things happen to other people, their life is perfect.

the concept wasnt about the reader or the people these tragic things happen, but to the watchers who are forced to just sit back when they illegally watch us because they are told by those above them not to break cover. it draws into conflict our ideas of a society and encourages discord or discussion of said idea. and the purpose of a rant is to do just that.

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Just as a brainstorm, what if it focused on people being killed by others not following The Rules?

The person who died when hit by the driver who thought a few beers was ok.
The child who died because his mother thought she knew better than the state-approved dietary plan.
The family that died because the father wouldn't stand 1984's nightmare imposed on his life.

Selfish people who chose freedom for themselves and death for you.
reworded to encourage more of this
Look, asshole:  Your 'incomprehensible' act, your word-salad, your pinealism...It BORES ME.  I've been incomprehensible for so long, I TEACH IT TO MBA CANDIDATES.  So if you simply MUST talk about your pineal gland or happy children dancing in the wildflowers, go talk to Roger, because he digs that kind of shit

Richter

Quote from: Regret on November 11, 2008, 04:16:44 PM
I wonder how a pro-safety nut would respond to this... hmmm i'm sending this to my mom.

will post her reply later if its funny and if i don't forget.


PS not implying that she's nuts, only more pro-safety than me.

I'd be honored to know what she says  :lulz:

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on November 11, 2008, 05:55:19 PM
Nice rant! And, more to the point, a great illustration of why this shit happens. Most of it isn't down to Eviltm bastards who want us all to be miserable. It's because some kid wandered off the edge of a cliff and a bunch of people got upset and built a fence which totally killed the view. Understandable maybe but, nonetheless, we can't see the ocean now. :argh!:

:mittens:

Thanks. 
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Quote from: YattoDobbs on November 11, 2008, 07:54:55 PM
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Just as a brainstorm, what if it focused on people being killed by others not following The Rules?

The person who died when hit by the driver who thought a few beers was ok.
The child who died because his mother thought she knew better than the state-approved dietary plan.
The family that died because the father wouldn't stand 1984's nightmare imposed on his life.

Selfish people who chose freedom for themselves and death for you.
reworded to encourage more of this

We've all heard sentiments such as "Live free of die", or "The price of freedom is eternal vigilance". 
No 1984 control scheme will EVER make you safe, and bad shit happens whether you're "free" or not.  This is life, bad shit will happen regardless, and you won't get out of it alive, whatever way you try to live.

I'm not saying lock us all into cotton coffins with tubes, or allow anything in the name of personal freedom. The only thing I can really advocate is people having enough latitude to fuck up and learn from it if they're still around.  Idiot proof something, and life will give you a better idiot. 
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Quote from: Richter on November 13, 2008, 12:31:30 AM
Idiot proof something, and life will give you a better idiot. 

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Reginald Ret

Quote from: Richter on November 13, 2008, 12:31:30 AM
Idiot proof something, and life will give you a better idiot. 
This be newsworthy.


my moms response to OP:
yada yada yada, boring 'be responsible' crap, free will rules! freedom limiting stuff kills creativity! "i avoid areas with security cameras unless i don't wanna [her bold] "This leaves me free-er than just avoiding it" "your brother was really happy with the apple pie we made"

I love my mom  :D

Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Richter

Quote from: Regret on November 13, 2008, 01:37:52 AM
Quote from: Richter on November 13, 2008, 12:31:30 AM
Idiot proof something, and life will give you a better idiot. 
This be newsworthy.


my moms response to OP:
yada yada yada, boring 'be responsible' crap, free will rules! freedom limiting stuff kills creativity! "i avoid areas with security cameras unless i don't wanna [her bold] "This leaves me free-er than just avoiding it" "your brother was really happy with the apple pie we made"

I love my mom  :D



:lulz:  Oh well.  Can't win 'em all.
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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