Fractals

[Cramulus]

Well, yes, if you decide pornography to be illegal, you shouldnt make a law that vaguely outlaws "pornography", but it should be more clearly stated as "a realistic depiction of a sexual act" or "a depiction of bodyparts X Y or Z, not covered by cloth" (or whatever)

and yes in the latter case you're going to run into trouble with pics of women breastfeeding their kids, and a lot of beautifully artistic paintings.

tough luck.

in the Arabic countries they can't publically display all paintings by Gustav Klimt either. but at least you get all that filth out of public view in a more or less fair way.

no no, I disagree. It's better to leave the definition of pornography subjective, because any definition you write won't adequately cover the cases. I think it's more important for art to be free than for porn to be illegal. With a rigid definition, you'll always end up censoring nonpornographic artistic expression. There aren't objective categories to distinguish art and porn. This is precisely the subject of a substantial amount of of art.  Neither intercourse nor genitals are specifically pornographic. And the "realistic" qualifier in your example is just another subjective measure which the jurors will have to wrestle with internally.

And that definition, of course, opens up the gateway for all sorts of "non realistic" porn.  

[Triple Zero]

no no, I disagree. It's better to leave the definition of pornography subjective, because any definition you write won't adequately cover the cases. I think it's more important for art to be free than for porn to be illegal.

Ehm, no. If I'm not mistaken you think porn should not be illegal at all.
(So, most things would be more important to you can porn to be illegal)

With a rigid definition, you'll always end up censoring nonpornographic artistic expression. There aren't objective categories to distinguish art and porn. This is precisely the subject of a substantial amount of of art.  Neither intercourse nor genitals are specifically pornographic. And the "realistic" qualifier in your example is just another subjective measure which the jurors will have to wrestle with internally.

No, see. "Pornography" is just not a term that should be used in legal definitions. Unless you use it as a shorthand for a very specific legally specified set of things. But in that case it does not correspond to the meaning of the word in every day language anymore. Because the word is subjective, the way it is used in the language.

The thing is, you gotta ask the people that want to ban "pornography" what it exactly is they want to ban. They'd better have a fairly accurate definition of it, and I'm pretty sure that the people that want to ban pornography will consider a whole bunch of artistic expression to be pornographic as well.

If you just say "pornography is illegal", you're gonna have the anti-pr0n ppl trying to push every Klimt showing a nipple into the pr0n class, whereas others will try to push porno as art.

And the upshot of this all is that as soon as the anti-pr0n ppl come up with a list of specific and reasonably unambiguous definitions, THEN you can also put to question whether it's actually reasonable to prohibit part of them.

But if the reason behind banning pr0n is that "it corrupts the mind", and these people apparently got their way, I don't see why a whole crapload of art shouldnt be banned too.

[LMNO]

I just want to know if I can leave it in my legislator's office.

[Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ]

isnt pornography specifically "Sexually explicit pictures, writing, or other material whose primary purpose is to cause sexual arousal." therefore, not including lotsa art....

also how did fractals turn into porn?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

As far as I can tell, you guys are agreeing?

[Triple Zero]

also how did fractals turn into porn?

sheered volva didnt want to let go of the subject and I took the bait

[Sheered Völva]

also how did fractals turn into porn?

sheered volva didnt want to let go of the subject and I took the bait

All right, I admit it.  I masturbate while looking at fractals. 

[Cramulus]

[Triple Zero]

strangely erotic.

[Jasper]

Mesmerizing.  Rapturous.  Bonerific.

[maphdet]

strangely erotic.

Agreed.

Nice work btw Cramulus.

[Cramulus]

Learning some new tricks in Apophysis. There is PAINFULLY little documentation on this program, a lot of my learning materials are chat logs and discussions on deviant art. So it's slow going, but I'm starting to get a feel for 3D fractals.



these are kind of large, so I'll post them as thumbnails - right click -> view to see full size.


"Sun Temple"




^this is an early render, I'm actually working on a larger version that should be finished rendering in the next ... 30 hours or so. I'm not sure if it'll actually LOOK better, it might be too noisy with the detail that high. We shall see, we shall see.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Wicked cool!

[NotPublished]

Wow that is soo cool!

[Cramulus]