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Started by Mesozoic Mister Nigel, February 07, 2009, 08:07:35 PM

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P3nT4gR4m

#360
February 13, 2009, 08:44:03 PM
Quote from: Nigel on February 13, 2009, 08:15:21 PM
I was mostly distressed by the way you appeared to be arguing with each other, but saying the same things. :)

The issue here might be resolved with reference to Learys 8 circuit model. Discounting, for the purposes of this excercise, the "taking off into space" bollox, so we are left with the 4 we are most familiar with, we seem to have two circuits which are governed largely by the body and two which are governed by a meta-level of mind itself.

Not to say the physical being doesn't have a degree of effect over the symbolic and the domestic circuits but I don't think it always will (bodies can be calmed by force of concentration) And the degree of freedom/constriction will differ from individual to individual. Bottom line is that to have any degree of control over your own mind there must be a duality - a thinker who is governing the mind.

This is Cartesian Duality as I understand it and apparently Wittgenstein has proven it wrong. Not sure if this was before or after he became a christian but hey, smartest guy on the internets reckons he was right then who am I to argue  :lulz:

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zen_magick

#361
February 13, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Damn It! :argh!:

Where's DK I was hoping to hit on him some more and see how uncomfortable I could make 'em feel.
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P3nT4gR4m

#362
February 13, 2009, 09:39:59 PM
Quote from: zen_magick on February 13, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Damn It! :argh!:

Where's DK I was hoping to hit on him some more and see how uncomfortable I could make 'em feel.


He's run away weeping like a little bitch with a skinned knee and it's all these bastards faults cos they couldn't back off and let him think he was pwning us 
:walken:

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

The Good Reverend Roger

#363
February 15, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Split.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Jasper

#364
February 15, 2009, 04:55:33 AM
We sure do generate a lot of posts in the process of haranguing people. :lulz:

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#365
February 15, 2009, 06:44:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Split.

you fucker. how am I supposed to read an 82 page thread that's comprised of the failings of 3 or 4 other threads in no cohesive order whatsoever?
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Jasper

#366
February 15, 2009, 06:45:26 AM
People are actually reading this crap?

The Good Reverend Roger

#367
February 15, 2009, 06:49:07 AM
Quote from: Dirtytime on February 15, 2009, 06:44:14 AM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 15, 2009, 01:16:49 AM
Split.

you fucker. how am I supposed to read an 82 page thread that's comprised of the failings of 3 or 4 other threads in no cohesive order whatsoever?

It turns out that there wasn't any cohesion, anyway.  The posts are all the same, on all the threads he posted in.

It's true.  I threw everything in the unlimited thread, and it all fit together 169% seamlessly.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#368
February 15, 2009, 06:52:39 AM
True. It flows surprisingly smoothly. I discovered this after I got over my temper tantrum upon realizing he was merging shit WHILE I WAS READING.
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Jasper

#369
February 15, 2009, 06:55:30 AM
This is why I don't read the stuff.  It's all just an undifferentiated wall of text that generates a lot of smoke and heat, but very little light.

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#370
February 16, 2009, 08:58:48 PM
trolls: the real cause of global warming.
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#371
February 23, 2009, 10:51:13 PM
I really liked the OP Nigel, shame DK had to show up and ruin what was shaping up to a good discussion.  Anyway, I'm of the personal opinion that it is impossible to separate the corporeal from the spiritual, and saying that a body is just a body, which may or may not affect your behavior is akin to saying that water may or may not get you wet.  Sorry if this got said before by someone else, I stopped reading at like page two.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#372
February 23, 2009, 11:06:37 PM
Thanks!

Yeah, that's pretty much what I'm saying... your body is what it is. You're not secretly, magically a dragon inside that body. What it is is what it IS. You can imagine that you really for reals look different or "are" a boy or a girl or a cat or a raccoon or a dragon, but until you can conjure up a really for reals different body, you're stuck with the real-life one you have, which is exactly what it is, and there you are, for as long as you live.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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#373
February 23, 2009, 11:14:28 PM
Cool I'm glad we're on the same page.  Also as soon as I posted that I had to go write something profound, but basically saying that not sleeping, eating badly etc have a more profound effect on people (in terms of personality, behavior, sanity, etc) than anyone seems to realize.  I have to go do some errands otherwise I'd post that fucker.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

zen_magick

#374
February 23, 2009, 11:18:11 PM
Just a word of encouragement for the OP.  I've showed it to a few friends (all grad students) and they all liked the post.  So fuck DK and his dualism.  Keep writing and ranting, some of us really enjoy what you say.

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