Are We Living In A Post-Racial Age?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

What if they're in front of a Home Depot in South Texas, which has been predominantly Spanish-speaking since before it was a U.S. state?

Maybe you're unaware that English is NOT the official language of the USA?

Well, I don't care what people do, or what they speak... but it does seem to say something about the mindset of any individual who lives in a country and doesn't learn the language. I have always been disgusted by Americans that go live in a foreign nation and don't learn that language. It seems rude, thoughtless and rather insulting. If that's on top of entering the country illegally and working in the country illegally, then I have to say, overall, that doesn't seems to speak well for the psychological mindset of the individual.

In my opinion, the idea that anyone should be an 'illegal alien'; in a nation owned and run by immigrants is insane. However, the idea that the government is supposed to cover emergency medical services, welfare etc is also insane... the fact that the government mandates insurance is insane... and all of these insane things work together to make an 'illegal alien' an actual problem. Not in and of themselves, but because there is X tax monies available for 'services'... the new immigrants make use of those services, but in many cases don't pay into them. And since they're not 'legal' then they're not gonna have car insurance... and thats gonna cause more problems for the spag they hit.

Overall, its a mess and the actions of sombual undocumented immigrants can appear as a slap in the face to the country that they've come into. I'm not surprised that many people are deeply offended and upset by the situation.

Though, IMO, I say let 'em come. Maybe they'll help finish off the system and we can try again.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What if they're in front of a Home Depot in South Texas, which has been predominantly Spanish-speaking since before it was a U.S. state?

Maybe you're unaware that English is NOT the official language of the USA?

Well, I don't care what people do, or what they speak... but it does seem to say something about the mindset of any individual who lives in a country and doesn't learn the language. I have always been disgusted by Americans that go live in a foreign nation and don't learn that language. It seems rude, thoughtless and rather insulting. If that's on top of entering the country illegally and working in the country illegally, then I have to say, overall, that doesn't seems to speak well for the psychological mindset of the individual.

In my opinion, the idea that anyone should be an 'illegal alien'; in a nation owned and run by immigrants is insane. However, the idea that the government is supposed to cover emergency medical services, welfare etc is also insane... the fact that the government mandates insurance is insane... and all of these insane things work together to make an 'illegal alien' an actual problem. Not in and of themselves, but because there is X tax monies available for 'services'... the new immigrants make use of those services, but in many cases don't pay into them. And since they're not 'legal' then they're not gonna have car insurance... and thats gonna cause more problems for the spag they hit.

Overall, its a mess and the actions of sombual undocumented immigrants can appear as a slap in the face to the country that they've come into. I'm not surprised that many people are deeply offended and upset by the situation.

Though, IMO, I say let 'em come. Maybe they'll help finish off the system and we can try again.

But Rat, the point I'm making is that some communities in the US speak Spanish predominantly, and by your own logic it is the non-Spanish speaker who should learn the language of the land. And I'm not talking about immigrants... I'm talking about people whose families have lived there speaking Spanish since before Texas was a state.

If you live in an area where there is 50% or higher Spanish-speaking population, it makes as much sense to learn English as it does for the English-speaking residents of that area to learn Spanish... which is to say, quite a lot of sense. That's why my kids are learning Spanish.

Expressing contempt for people speaking Spanish (or any other language) amongst themselves outside of Home Depot is nothing but stupid bigotry, and completely irrelevant to anything. Now, if they're inside a Home Depot in a predominantly English-speaking area raising a stink because the employees don't speak their language, there's reason for contempt.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

What if they're in front of a Home Depot in South Texas, which has been predominantly Spanish-speaking since before it was a U.S. state?

Maybe you're unaware that English is NOT the official language of the USA?

Well, I don't care what people do, or what they speak... but it does seem to say something about the mindset of any individual who lives in a country and doesn't learn the language. I have always been disgusted by Americans that go live in a foreign nation and don't learn that language. It seems rude, thoughtless and rather insulting. If that's on top of entering the country illegally and working in the country illegally, then I have to say, overall, that doesn't seems to speak well for the psychological mindset of the individual.

In my opinion, the idea that anyone should be an 'illegal alien'; in a nation owned and run by immigrants is insane. However, the idea that the government is supposed to cover emergency medical services, welfare etc is also insane... the fact that the government mandates insurance is insane... and all of these insane things work together to make an 'illegal alien' an actual problem. Not in and of themselves, but because there is X tax monies available for 'services'... the new immigrants make use of those services, but in many cases don't pay into them. And since they're not 'legal' then they're not gonna have car insurance... and thats gonna cause more problems for the spag they hit.

Overall, its a mess and the actions of sombual undocumented immigrants can appear as a slap in the face to the country that they've come into. I'm not surprised that many people are deeply offended and upset by the situation.

Though, IMO, I say let 'em come. Maybe they'll help finish off the system and we can try again.

But Rat, the point I'm making is that some communities in the US speak Spanish predominantly, and by your own logic it is the non-Spanish speaker who should learn the language of the land. And I'm not talking about immigrants... I'm talking about people whose families have lived there speaking Spanish since before Texas was a state.

If you live in an area where there is 50% or higher Spanish-speaking population, it makes as much sense to learn English as it does for the English-speaking residents of that area to learn Spanish... which is to say, quite a lot of sense. That's why my kids are learning Spanish.

Expressing contempt for people speaking Spanish (or any other language) amongst themselves outside of Home Depot is nothing but stupid bigotry, and completely irrelevant to anything. Now, if they're inside a Home Depot in a predominantly English-speaking area raising a stink because the employees don't speak their language, there's reason for contempt.

I don't disagree... if a population is 50/50 (or 40/60 or 30/70) then everyone should be learning a new language.

[Vene]

I just have a quick thing to add.  Michigan schools have changed their high school graduation requirements so that it's only possible to get a diploma if said student has taken a course to learn a non-English language.  And they didn't do it completely stupid either, they're allowing this requirement to be fulfilled in elementary school (you know, when our brains are the best wired to learn a new language).

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I just have a quick thing to add.  Michigan schools have changed their high school graduation requirements so that it's only possible to get a diploma if said student has taken a course to learn a non-English language.  And they didn't do it completely stupid either, they're allowing this requirement to be fulfilled in elementary school (you know, when our brains are the best wired to learn a new language).

A most excellent idea!

[Jasper]

I've got a cousin who's maybe 15 and he's already a genius polyglot because he studied languages when he was very young. 

[Seth_The_Fallen]

I really would like to learn other languages but I don't have time to. I just try to learn by watching alot of foreign shows with subtitles. Hey it works....some at least. I don't think that a population should be made by percentages to make and learn a new way of communication. it is not a good way to make them more united or anything. When we came here, we already spoke English. I don't think we should reform for the sake of some illegals that think they can come to my country and expect me to know what the hell Paco means when he says El mantango. I think it is not worth the time and I don't think I will be going to mexico any time soon.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I really would like to learn other languages but I don't have time to. I just try to learn by watching alot of foreign shows with subtitles. Hey it works....some at least. I don't think that a population should be made by percentages to make and learn a new way of communication. it is not a good way to make them more united or anything.

So far so good. I was with you right up to this point:

When we came here, we already spoke English. I don't think we should reform for the sake of some illegals that think they can come to my country and expect me to know what the hell Paco means when he says El mantango. I think it is not worth the time and I don't think I will be going to mexico any time soon.

Who's "we", shitfuck? And who are you referring to as "illegals"? Everyone who speaks Spanish on their own time?

Die in a hole.

[Seth_The_Fallen]

Ha ha ha. very nice come back I think you know what your talking about. Nice arguing with you. But I don't plan on dieing anytime soon. I don't mind it if you came here to try it though.

[Phineas T. Poxwattle]

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

[Aufenthatt]

Ha ha ha. very nice come back I think you know what your talking about. Nice arguing with you. But I don't plan on dieing anytime soon. I don't mind it if you came here to try it though.

... the only reason you haven't been flamed to death is that people feel sorry that you have to live with being you.

[Seth_The_Fallen]

And you think I could care about getting flamed? I don't know your point of views but I have mine. No use trying to change them unless you have something better to replace them with. something more believable.

[Aufenthatt]

The Queen is a shape shifting lizard, all your ideas are implanted.

Ok, you think that any migrant that enters a country on a semi/permanent basis should learn the language? Aside from the obvious colonialism points, language is not the same across a country.

For example, in France the people of Breton speak a Celtic language to the point they have to have dual language signs. Should everyone be forced to speak Breton? No of cause not, its France.
Should everyone speak French? No, because it is part of the culture to speak the native language.

[/answering own questions]

You shouldn't force your language on anyone. If you learn each others languages that's great, but it should be a choice.

[Vene]

I really would like to learn other languages but I don't have time to. I just try to learn by watching alot of foreign shows with subtitles. Hey it works....some at least. I don't think that a population should be made by percentages to make and learn a new way of communication. it is not a good way to make them more united or anything.

So far so good. I was with you right up to this point:

When we came here, we already spoke English. I don't think we should reform for the sake of some illegals that think they can come to my country and expect me to know what the hell Paco means when he says El mantango. I think it is not worth the time and I don't think I will be going to mexico any time soon.

Who's "we", shitfuck? And who are you referring to as "illegals"? Everyone who speaks Spanish on their own time?

Die in a hole.

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