Suu demands to know what you are listening to!

[Hanni]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

What kind of synth? I would love to learn but don't really know where to start (I play piano so know the gist of music- but synth is a whole different ball game)

[Doktor Howl]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

[Hanni]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

At least there's not a chance of grabbing the wrong end of the stick with an answer like that.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

What kind of synth? I would love to learn but don't really know where to start (I play piano so know the gist of music- but synth is a whole different ball game)

Piano = music.

Synth = programming.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

At least there's not a chance of grabbing the wrong end of the stick with an answer like that.

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

[Disco Pickle]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

What kind of synth? I would love to learn but don't really know where to start (I play piano so know the gist of music- but synth is a whole different ball game)

Korg N264..  it's a bit aged, but still does everything I want it to, and with MIDI controls you can plug it into anything else.  I've got it hooked up to a Korg MS2000 rack mount synth and ER-1 drum machine.

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

AND DOING MATH ON A CALCULATOR ISN'T MATH!!

WHERE'S MY ABACUS YOU HEATHEN MODERNISTS!!
                                                                           \



I somewhat agree with that last one, but felt like pokin some fun.

So umm, you don't like ANY music that is enhanced electronically?  Just sound waves produced from plucking strings on eukalaly's and hurdy gurdy's, wind through wooden tubes, or brass horns?

[Hanni]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

[Freeky]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

At least there's not a chance of grabbing the wrong end of the stick with an answer like that.

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

At first I was confused, but rereading the bolded made me realize he isn't talking about using a keyboard as a piano, but more as a noise maker. Is that what you got out of it, too, or am I full of crap?

[Doktor Howl]

I somewhat agree with that last one, but felt like pokin some fun.

So umm, you don't like ANY music that is enhanced electronically?  Just sound waves produced from plucking strings on eukalaly's and hurdy gurdy's, wind through wooden tubes, or brass horns?

Oh, I think a little enhancement is a good thing sometimes, for the same reason I watch bad science fiction/monster movies on occasion, or have a coffee down at the diner next to the bowling alley.  Sometimes, slumming is fun.

But programmed music lacks the tiny mistakes and eccentricities that makes real music sound like it does.  So it's "music" in the same way that canned laughter is "audience feedback".

[Doktor Howl]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

Nonsense.  Johnny Cash is the guy on the toilet, and programmed "music" is what he flushes.

[Doktor Howl]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

At least there's not a chance of grabbing the wrong end of the stick with an answer like that.

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

At first I was confused, but rereading the bolded made me realize he isn't talking about using a keyboard as a piano, but more as a noise maker. Is that what you got out of it, too, or am I full of crap?

That's how I understood it.

In any case, electronic keyboards are only suitable for bad 80s bands, like "Breakfast Club", or the least of Prince's artistic droppings.

[Disco Pickle]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, your opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

[Freeky]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

I disagree with you on the electric guitar bit. It is a different instrument, and you actually CAN play it without an amp, it's just hard to hear. They and electric keyboards that can be programmed are nowhere near the same class.

[Disco Pickle]

Also, if it isn't "analog", it's not an instrument.  That is all.

Dok,
Was ejected from a Yes concert in 1984 for going berserk at the sight of synthodrums.

ok, so I have a synthesizer, 66 keys, that you can program every aspect of a sound on.  Attack, Decay, Sustain, Release, frequency, pitch.

While making those sounds makes you a bit more of a programmer of sound, does being able to play that electronic keyboard make anyone less of a musician because the instrument is electronic?

Yes.

At least there's not a chance of grabbing the wrong end of the stick with an answer like that.

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

At first I was confused, but rereading the bolded made me realize he isn't talking about using a keyboard as a piano, but more as a noise maker. Is that what you got out of it, too, or am I full of crap?

yes and no.

it will faithfully reproduce the sounds that traditional instruments make, but as Howl said, without all the idisyncrocys you get from a real instrument and unless it's using real analogue oscillators (rare, but can be found) it will not have the warmth and depth of sound, and be more digital sounding.

I frequently leave it set to the grand piano program though, so no, it's not just a noise maker.

[Disco Pickle]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

I disagree with you on the electric guitar bit. It is a different instrument, and you actually CAN play it without an amp, it's just hard to hear. They and electric keyboards that can be programmed are nowhere near the same class.

fair enough.