Suu demands to know what you are listening to!

[Doktor Howl]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

[Hanni]

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

[Doktor Howl]

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

[Disco Pickle]

Well, there's no point fucking about.

Programming != being a musician.  Programmed "music" is an abomination in the eyes of Johnny Cash, and come the revolution, the temple will be cleansed with fire.

Johnny Cash?
Oh dear...

They can't be compared because they are just two very very different skills?

^this

you're a traditionalist Howl, I respect that, and even agree to a point.

and since appreciation of music is subjective, you're opinion is just as valid as anyone else's

I'll call foul though if you don't think that someone that can play an electronic keyboard as well as a traditional piano is less of a musician because of the instrument.

you're completely correct on drum machine programmers, even though you have to have an understanding of music and time to properly write a beat for the machine to reproduce.

but under your rule, electric guitarists would have to fall under this as well since the instrument is electronic.

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

everything in bold is an opinion, even if it is shared by a large group of people.

you sound like I imagine the parents of the kids of the 50's sounded like decrying Rock & Roll.

I'm pretty sure you've said you can't get YouTube at work, but when you can, check this out and tell me if you think it doesn't qualify as music.  The vocals, guitars and drums were played and recorded by him (real guitar and drums) then sequenced and additional sounds were added to give it a depth.

I promise it wont rape your ears, it's actually a very low tempo song, but still falls under the electronic music catagory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tQ5r1LfKnY&feature=related

so, if he plays all of his instruments himself and has to sequence them to get a song, does that mean he's not a musician either?

[Hanni]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

[Disco Pickle]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

[Hanni]

everything in bold is an opinion, even if it is shared by a large group of people.

you sound like I imagine the parents of the kids of the 50's sounded like decrying Rock & Roll.

I'm pretty sure you've said you can't get YouTube at work, but when you can, check this out and tell me if you think it doesn't qualify as music.  The vocals, guitars and drums were played and recorded by him (real guitar and drums) then sequenced and additional sounds were added to give it a depth.

I promise it wont rape your ears, it's actually a very low tempo song, but still falls under the electronic music catagory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tQ5r1LfKnY&feature=related

so, if he plays all of his instruments himself and has to sequence them to get a song, does that mean he's not a musician either?

That's an awesome song.

[Doktor Howl]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

You're going to hell for that.

[Disco Pickle]

everything in bold is an opinion, even if it is shared by a large group of people.

you sound like I imagine the parents of the kids of the 50's sounded like decrying Rock & Roll.

I'm pretty sure you've said you can't get YouTube at work, but when you can, check this out and tell me if you think it doesn't qualify as music.  The vocals, guitars and drums were played and recorded by him (real guitar and drums) then sequenced and additional sounds were added to give it a depth.

I promise it wont rape your ears, it's actually a very low tempo song, but still falls under the electronic music catagory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tQ5r1LfKnY&feature=related

so, if he plays all of his instruments himself and has to sequence them to get a song, does that mean he's not a musician either?

That's an awesome song.

he's never done a bad song.

[Doktor Howl]

you sound like I imagine the parents of the kids of the 50's sounded like decrying Rock & Roll.

The critical difference being that they were wrong and I am right.

[AFK]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

When it comes to music, the rock and roll DEFINES cool.  Not that it is really appreciated anymore.  It seems like that ended sometime around 1996. 

[Hanni]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

When it comes to music, the rock and roll DEFINES cool.  Not that it is really appreciated anymore.  It seems like that ended sometime around 1996. 

I agree generally but those two songs I listened to were just... They... They were a "just no" kind of moment. I lean more toward The Clash if we're talking 'old' music.

[Doktor Howl]

It's electrical.  That's different.  Unless you're claiming that a light switch = an iPod.

Also, your first point is invalid because even though the horrible din and random noises shat out and called "techno" (or whatever) may be pleasing to your damaged pleasure center, it still isn't music.

It sure as hell ain't rock n roll, anyway.  You could take every minute of synthetic screech and combine it, and it would never even approach 10 seconds of Bob Seger's worst song.

You pushed it with Johnny Cash...
Who the hell is Bob Seger?

Musician in the 70s and 80s.  You Euros lack the glands to properly appreciate him.

Fact:  Nothing bad can happen to you if he's on the radio (CDs/mp3s do not afford the same divine protection).

Youtube Bob Seger "Still the same" and "The Fire Down Below" for examples.

I know now why I've never heard of him... That's just not very cool music (I have a feeling though my mum might have some on her ipod, after Wham!, Abba and Dolly Parton)

When it comes to music, the rock and roll DEFINES cool.  Not that it is really appreciated anymore.  It seems like that ended sometime around 1996. 

You can't expect kids to understand that, RWHN.  They've lost their way, and "cool" is just a description of temperature, now.  They have programmed "music" fed into their ears with iPods that have more memory that existed when we were young...I mean, with all that storage, why BOTHER reserving any time for cool shit?

There's always time, after all.

Until one day they die unsaved, and Roy Orbison and "Bob" cast them into the fiery pit, where nothing but Neil Sedaka plays and nobody is allowed to dance or even drive muscle cars.  And there's no Saturday Night, and lawyers bang on your door and bill collectors shove writs through the mail slot and everyone moves like lightning, but they speak only gibberish, and it's always Monday morning rush hour, and the AC in your Honda breaks.

But at least they'll have techno to drown it all out.

[Doktor Howl]

I agree generally but those two songs I listened to were just... They... They were a "just no" kind of moment. I lean more toward The Clash if we're talking 'old' music.

STRAIGHT TO HELL.

[LMNO]

I agree generally but those two songs I listened to were just... They... They were a "just no" kind of moment. I lean more toward The Clash if we're talking 'old' music.

You do realize there's about fifty years of recorded popular music that came before 1976, right?