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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #60 on: March 12, 2009, 10:37:44 pm »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.
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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2009, 04:35:40 am »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.

I do that for Twilight... :oops:

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« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2009, 05:29:45 am »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.

I do that for Twilight... :oops:

Well, you only know the premise, though, right? So you can really only judge that the premise is crap.

Although from what people who HAVE seen the movie say, it is crap... but you really can't determine that just from a plot synopsis. Some movies with terrible premises are beautiful and amazing and great, and some with fantastically intriguing premises are fucking boiled-tripe awful.
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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2009, 11:13:44 am »
Good interview but he really does come across as a tunnel-visioned, crotchety old fuck at times.

So he doesn't see the art in movies. Therefore they suck. What about the actor's performances? The lighting, set design. Or the much hated CGI as a thing of beauty, art for art's sake. Compared to old fashioned shit like the mona lisa, even shit movies like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are more immersive and able to hold the attention longer. Problem with an intellectual high horse is you tend to get stuck up there in the saddle. Perhaps not everyone watches movies to get spoonfed a story, like you do with books and comics?

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« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2009, 12:41:07 pm »
I'm well aware, and let me make it clear that I am not interested in reading fiction about peds, I simply believe in freedom of speech COMPLETELY.  And thats what it boils down to.  I am against kiddie porn and actual pedophilia because there are ACTUAL children involved.  In fiction, there isn't.  As distasteful as it is for me or someone else, nobody is actually harmed.

And don't respond with anything along the lines of "it gives the peds fuel for their sick craft", because I won't be responding to it.  Its bullshit. 
This is a bit of a cliched question, but I'm genuinely interested, not disagreeing with you; Do you have kids hoopla?
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« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2009, 01:23:41 pm »
I'm well aware, and let me make it clear that I am not interested in reading fiction about peds, I simply believe in freedom of speech COMPLETELY.  And thats what it boils down to.  I am against kiddie porn and actual pedophilia because there are ACTUAL children involved.  In fiction, there isn't.  As distasteful as it is for me or someone else, nobody is actually harmed.

And don't respond with anything along the lines of "it gives the peds fuel for their sick craft", because I won't be responding to it.  Its bullshit. 
This is a bit of a cliched question, but I'm genuinely interested, not disagreeing with you; Do you have kids hoopla?

No I don't, but I do have a mother, a sister, and a wife, and still believe people have the right to write about rape and murder fantasies if they so choose.  Is my opinion now void?
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« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2009, 02:22:01 pm »
I'm well aware, and let me make it clear that I am not interested in reading fiction about peds, I simply believe in freedom of speech COMPLETELY.  And that's what it boils down to.  I am against kiddie porn and actual pedophilia because there are ACTUAL children involved.  In fiction, there isn't.  As distasteful as it is for me or someone else, nobody is actually harmed.

And don't respond with anything along the lines of "it gives the peds fuel for their sick craft", because I won't be responding to it.  Its bullshit. 
This is a bit of a cliched question, but I'm genuinely interested, not disagreeing with you; Do you have kids hoopla?

No I don't, but I do have a mother, a sister, and a wife, and still believe people have the right to write about rape and murder fantasies if they so choose.  Is my opinion now void?
Not at all, I've just noticed people with kids would rarely have that opinion.
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« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2009, 02:25:15 pm »
I agree completely. 
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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2009, 02:57:19 pm »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.

I do that for Twilight... :oops:

Well, you only know the premise, though, right? So you can really only judge that the premise is crap.

Although from what people who HAVE seen the movie say, it is crap... but you really can't determine that just from a plot synopsis. Some movies with terrible premises are beautiful and amazing and great, and some with fantastically intriguing premises are fucking boiled-tripe awful.

Fair enough; I judge based on the premise and on what other people have told me.

Also, there's the minor issue of my fundamental opposition to the idea of vampires that don't die in sunlight.

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« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2009, 02:59:24 pm »
Good interview but he really does come across as a tunnel-visioned, crotchety old fuck at times.

So he doesn't see the art in movies. Therefore they suck. What about the actor's performances? The lighting, set design. Or the much hated CGI as a thing of beauty, art for art's sake. Compared to old fashioned shit like the mona lisa, even shit movies like League of Extraordinary Gentlemen are more immersive and able to hold the attention longer. Problem with an intellectual high horse is you tend to get stuck up there in the saddle. Perhaps not everyone watches movies to get spoonfed a story, like you do with books and comics?

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If we are going to spend our money upon film, then let's start valuing the people that produce wonderful things with very little to go on. Let's stop being so childishly awed by what are essentially fireworks displays.

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« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2009, 03:23:17 pm »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.

I do that for Twilight... :oops:

Well, you only know the premise, though, right? So you can really only judge that the premise is crap.

Although from what people who HAVE seen the movie say, it is crap... but you really can't determine that just from a plot synopsis. Some movies with terrible premises are beautiful and amazing and great, and some with fantastically intriguing premises are fucking boiled-tripe awful.

Fair enough; I judge based on the premise and on what other people have told me.

Also, there's the minor issue of my fundamental opposition to the idea of vampires that don't die in sunlight.

That only started in the 20s with the movie "Nosferatu"... even Dracula could go out in the daylight.
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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2009, 06:11:18 pm »
That only started in the 20s with the movie "Nosferatu"... even Dracula could go out in the daylight.

Well then, I guess I will have to go back in time and killabitch.

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Re: Alan Moore on superheroes, and other things
« Reply #72 on: March 13, 2009, 07:36:29 pm »
I don't think it's morally wrong, or that it should be banned, or that people shouldn't read it. I just have no personal interest in reading it, and think it was done mostly for the sake of being edgy.

Wait, if you have no  interest in it and haven't read it, how did you form an opinion on its artistic merit? That's like saying a movie you haven't seen is crap, based solely on the premise.

Sorry, I misspoke, I have read it. I just wouldn't choose to read it again.

And Hoopla has some reasonable points, but I still don't like it.

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« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2009, 12:44:08 am »
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If we are going to spend our money upon film, then let's start valuing the people that produce wonderful things with very little to go on. Let's stop being so childishly awed by what are essentially fireworks displays.

If you don't go "ooooooh" when a firework goes off then you're halfway to dead imo.

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There's no justification for conflating "loud" and "stupid" (and, for that matter, "bad").  (This is me agreeing)

How much production values should we put into making a fireworks display, though?  One that can't even set things afire?  A film of a fireworks display isn't the same: you're not dropping live, hot, colorful fire and impossible percussion into the real sky.

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« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2009, 01:07:02 am »
cgi on its own looks awful.
cgi used over a template or to touch up an existing object works well. cgi on its own doesn't feel tangible. gollum is the closest that they have come to real feeling, and he's still not perfect, he has that polished glow that artists are over eager to add to their work when making cgi.


Further, what will become of pyrotechnics, now that all the explosions are done with computers?  And what of extras?  Do you remember the massive casts of the old epic movies like Alexander, where hundreds of men  with all the panalopy of war marched across the fields?  No more, no more, you need perhaps five men, and a few costumes and props, and can then mix, match, copy and paste them across the screen so you can have thousands.


My thought:  Such cheap tricks should only be used by the underdogs, the independants.  The fellows without huge casts and productions studios and billion dollar budgets.  The rich folks can hire a gazillion extras.  We've got the system all upside down and backwards.  Technology, really.  Instead of making work easier on people, it lets bosses pile more work on them.  So they're even more  :x .