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THOUGHTS ON WATCHMEN MOVIE, MOST OF WHICH ARE NOT BY FRED

Started by Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ, March 08, 2009, 04:35:08 AM

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Triple Zero

I liked Fountain, sort of. It was the thing with the buddhist alien dude on the tree spaceship and something about God or something right?

It was pretty imagery.

And a weird story.
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Zack Snyder is probably among the least imaginative directors I've ever seen.  It makes him great for capturing the imagery of his source material, which shot for shot Watchmen accomplished pretty well (though his treatment was much better suited to a comic purely about looking good, 300).  In stylizing the characters for the movie, he missed the point of them being past their prime and quite a bit out of their league.  Scenes where they fought nameless attackers, mostly when dealing with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre II, were beefed up with dozens of guys getting knocked down where in the comic it was only about two or three.

In remaining so faithful to the dialogue, he missed that the writing that lends itself so well to the comic is cheesy and stupid on film, further leadening one of the best written graphic novels with wooden, distant actors.  Rorschach was done pretty well though, by that guy who played the pedophile in Little Children.  I'm also strangely a fan of Billy Crudup aka Russell Hammond from Almost Famous, aka the son from Big Fish, aka that voice from those Mastercard commercials, so I was alright with his Dr. Manhattan treatment.

The ending, while more fitting to the movie than the comic ending would have been, still doesn't make a fuck ton of sense because

Spoiler alert from a movie from almost a year ago



Ozymandius pins the whole thing on Dr. Manhattan, thus supposely uniting the world against a common enemy.  It just doesn't seem believable when you know some foreign leader would just say "Yeah, but it was the American super-man that did all this, so it's their fault."  I guess that it's sort've the point that Veidt's scheming wasn't really worth it, though.

I stick by my earlier, less rant fueled review of "fuck that shit" and continue on to Darren Aronofsky, who seems a constant source of debate on this board.

I thought RFAD was great when I saw it, but one of those movies that on reflection doesn't hold up as well.
I never enjoyed Pi.
I never saw The Fountain, but I would like to.
The Wrestler was one of the most painful experiences I've ever been through, and as much as I enjoyed the movie I would never subject myself to sitting through it again.  I have the same feelings about the first Evil Dead.  Mickey Rourke was robbed of a best actor Oscar for that show, though.

I have faith in Aronofsky to deliver a pretty high quality movie, when it comes down to it.  His fans tend to take their hero worship of him too far and his detractors seem to do the same with his demonization.  He's neither the superman nor the devil he's made out to be, just another boy wonder director with a series of cult successes that will fluctuate between moderate critical success and spectacular failure before becoming a recognized and regular fare.  Give me Danny Boyle any day.

EoC,
douching the thread up a bit.
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Quote from: Fredamir Putin on November 06, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
the fountain was TERRIBLE
Its got my favorite soundtrack to any film, it was unique, pretty and had a good story.
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Triple Zero

Spawn soundtrack pwns all movie soundtracks so far for me. Even though the movie was awful. Ok and the Pulp Fiction soundtrack is of course classic.

What's the Fountain's soundtrack like? I can't remember.

And I'm pretty sure if Watchmen would have been made a TV series I never would've watched it or quit before getting halfway cause seriously, if you don't know about the awesome plotting going on, pretty much fuck all is happening in the entire comic right up until the conclusion.
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Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Spawn soundtrack pwns all movie soundtracks so far for me. Even though the movie was awful. Ok and the Pulp Fiction soundtrack is of course classic.

What's the Fountain's soundtrack like? I can't remember.

And I'm pretty sure if Watchmen would have been made a TV series I never would've watched it or quit before getting halfway cause seriously, if you don't know about the awesome plotting going on, pretty much fuck all is happening in the entire comic right up until the conclusion.

It's kind've true.  I was largely unimpressed on my first read through.  Once I picked it up again I was completely in love with everything (minus the Tales of the Black Freighter part).
Quote from: Pippa Twiddleton on December 22, 2012, 01:06:36 AM
EoC, you are the bane of my existence.

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 07, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
EoC doesn't make creepy.

EoC makes creepy worse.

Quote
the afflicted persons get hold of and consume carrots even in socially quite unacceptable situations.

Faust

Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Spawn soundtrack pwns all movie soundtracks so far for me. Even though the movie was awful. Ok and the Pulp Fiction soundtrack is of course classic.

What's the Fountain's soundtrack like? I can't remember.

And I'm pretty sure if Watchmen would have been made a TV series I never would've watched it or quit before getting halfway cause seriously, if you don't know about the awesome plotting going on, pretty much fuck all is happening in the entire comic right up until the conclusion.
The fountains soundtrack is mostly cello but it really set the mood well, I listen to it whenever I need to study or anything like that.
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Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 06, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Spawn soundtrack pwns all movie soundtracks so far for me. Even though the movie was awful. Ok and the Pulp Fiction soundtrack is of course classic.

What's the Fountain's soundtrack like? I can't remember.

And I'm pretty sure if Watchmen would have been made a TV series I never would've watched it or quit before getting halfway cause seriously, if you don't know about the awesome plotting going on, pretty much fuck all is happening in the entire comic right up until the conclusion.
The fountains soundtrack is mostly cello but it really set the mood well, I listen to it whenever I need to study or anything like that.

well i love cellos so im going to check out the sound track since i dont remember  :D

but the plot was retardulous

Faust

Quote from: Fredamir Putin on November 06, 2009, 11:29:10 PM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 06, 2009, 11:20:13 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on November 06, 2009, 11:07:21 PM
Spawn soundtrack pwns all movie soundtracks so far for me. Even though the movie was awful. Ok and the Pulp Fiction soundtrack is of course classic.

What's the Fountain's soundtrack like? I can't remember.

And I'm pretty sure if Watchmen would have been made a TV series I never would've watched it or quit before getting halfway cause seriously, if you don't know about the awesome plotting going on, pretty much fuck all is happening in the entire comic right up until the conclusion.
The fountains soundtrack is mostly cello but it really set the mood well, I listen to it whenever I need to study or anything like that.

well i love cellos so im going to check out the sound track since i dont remember  :D

but the plot was retardulous
What was retardulous? It was a basic concept told in an odd way, it was just about grieving for someone who died and having to go on without them.
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Jenne

Fred may have meant the whole historical bit that was woven in.  I have to say I lost patience with that quite a lot.  Mostly because I was way more into what was happening in the here and now rather than the meanderings about the past.

Faust

Quote from: Jenne on November 06, 2009, 11:56:46 PM
Fred may have meant the whole historical bit that was woven in.  I have to say I lost patience with that quite a lot.  Mostly because I was way more into what was happening in the here and now rather than the meanderings about the past.
Even after it was revealed to be the book she was writing? It is used to break up the pace, I liked it, I didn't really like its conclusion though.
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Jenne

Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 07, 2009, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: Jenne on November 06, 2009, 11:56:46 PM
Fred may have meant the whole historical bit that was woven in.  I have to say I lost patience with that quite a lot.  Mostly because I was way more into what was happening in the here and now rather than the meanderings about the past.
Even after it was revealed to be the book she was writing? It is used to break up the pace, I liked it, I didn't really like its conclusion though.

Well, that's what kept me from turning it off, to see the conclusion...and that sucked.  I don't know, I could've done without that part of it being so much a part of it.  Because the present day stuff was so intense I just wanted to skip past the historical parts more.  Or maybe it was just that I wasn't in the mood for that kind of bouncing around abruptly in a plot.  *shrug*  I'm not the easiest to please when it comes to "films"...plebian as I am.

Faust

Quote from: Jenne on November 07, 2009, 12:17:59 AM
Quote from: ☂Faust☂ on November 07, 2009, 12:14:08 AM
Quote from: Jenne on November 06, 2009, 11:56:46 PM
Fred may have meant the whole historical bit that was woven in.  I have to say I lost patience with that quite a lot.  Mostly because I was way more into what was happening in the here and now rather than the meanderings about the past.
Even after it was revealed to be the book she was writing? It is used to break up the pace, I liked it, I didn't really like its conclusion though.

Well, that's what kept me from turning it off, to see the conclusion...and that sucked.  I don't know, I could've done without that part of it being so much a part of it.  Because the present day stuff was so intense I just wanted to skip past the historical parts more.  Or maybe it was just that I wasn't in the mood for that kind of bouncing around abruptly in a plot.  *shrug*  I'm not the easiest to please when it comes to "films"...plebian as I am.
No I'm as bad, I hate nearly every movie with slim few exceptions.
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All movies throughout all of history are terrible, and the books are worse.