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THOUGHTS ON WATCHMEN MOVIE, MOST OF WHICH ARE NOT BY FRED

Started by Fredfredly ⊂(◉‿◉)つ, March 08, 2009, 04:35:08 AM

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Fuquad

Quote from: Faust on March 09, 2009, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on March 09, 2009, 10:22:52 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 09, 2009, 09:35:36 PM
Quote from: A Pesky Nonvoting Screeching on March 09, 2009, 07:36:36 PM
Quote from: Faust on March 09, 2009, 12:36:44 PM
he saw it, said he hated seeing awkward american shit made sound english (eggy in a basket etc)
said it was full of plot holes too.
Coming from the man that set "Watchmen" in New York City and managed a few stupid "Americanisms" of his own.

Yeah I know, his opinion on that awesome thing he created is utterly worthless.
He didn't create the movie.

That complaint was about something he himself has done.


Its a valid complaint. one that people living in their personal localities generally have when any writer makes assumptions of their area.
Just because he has done it in some of his works doesn't make it a less valid opinion when he is a member of an audience.
When I ran across his assumptions about my "Personal Locality" I chalked it up to alternate world history ,alternate habits.

I guess he thought that nine years(the difference between when he wrote the story and when the story is set) in a country that wound up following a different course than the world he lives in couldn't possibly include British people making "eggy in a nest". In his story it obviously didn't and his opinion is that there is no valid reason why it could happen based on our worlds current reality.

THE WORST FORUM ON THE INTERNET

Lies

Ok, I saw watchmen last night at IMAX, Big blue cock, FTW.

And yes, I LOVED it and so did Scree.

Best super hero movie ever.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Lies

#62
Also: This is fucking awesome and I watched it BEFORE I saw the movie, and actually thought it was FOR REAL, then I realised after watching the movie it was a parody... and watched it again, and I couldn't stop laughing.
Pure. Fucking. Genius.

EDIT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDHHrt6l4w

lol I forgot to link it
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Rumckle

It's not trolling, it's just satire.

Rumckle

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on March 09, 2009, 07:41:21 PM
ITT we do not diss Alan Moore in any way, shape or form :argh!:

Fuck Alan Moore, the man needs a damn hair cut.
It's not trolling, it's just satire.

Jasper

I just saw it.

My M.O. for judging movies is pretty lenient;  I judged the Matrix trilogy for what it really was, which is sci-fi/action.  In that light, they were pretty good.

I'm judging "Watchmen" as a superhero movie.  In case nobody noticed, there aren't many superhero movies with intelligent social commentary, good action, and not-totally-cornball romance.

8/10

Lies

Quote from: Rumckle on March 10, 2009, 06:48:44 AM
Uh, what is fucking awesome?

sorry, in my haste to get to school, I forgot to add the link.

Now modified for your convenience.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Cain

OK, I just saw the film (finished about 10 minutes ago).

Immediate impressions:

Both too long and too rushed.  May have been better as a trilogy, or even as a one-off TV series.
Music in some scenes was annoying.  Yes, we get it was set in the mid 80s.  Now stop playing pop music from before when I was born.
Zack Snyder was a poor choice of director.  Sadly, John Frankenheimer is dead, but someone more with his sort of experience, of actually gritty, politically involved films would have been better.
Same for camera work.  Looked too glossy, and clean cut.  Made it feel like a comic, on the screen.
Casting was generally good.
Despite having to rush through it, was generally faithful to the plot.
That said, I have misgivings about the ending and wonder about the credibility of what Ozymandias did in the film, compared to the comic.

All in all, fairly average.  Could have been done better, but equally could have been done much, much worse.  I think some mistakes could have been fixed, but others were more due to the problem of converting it to the big screen in the first place.  Would watch again, but would not say it was brilliant.

Jasper

I gotta admit some of the musical interludes didn't quite gel, but perhaps that was the point.  The whole story has a similar feeling of incongruity.

hooplala

#69
SPOILERS

People keep mentioning how different the ending is, but I didn't find it that different... instead of the world uniting against a giant squid alien they unite against Dr Manhattan who seemed uninterested in life on Earth anyway... what's so different?
"Soon all of us will have special names" — Professor Brian O'Blivion

"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

"Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
— Walt Whitman

Jasper

#70
SPOILERS

Not a lot, really.  But I did want to see the squid aliens crush people with giant dead tentacles.

ETA:  But if you think about it, Manhattan didn't really have a motive, whereas the fake aliens had the benefit of being inscrutable as well as less falsifiable.

Cain

Uh, have you guys heard of NOT POSTING SPOILERS?

Faust

Quote from: Dr Hoopla on March 10, 2009, 03:06:26 PM
People keep mentioning how different the ending is, but I didn't find it that different... instead of the world uniting against a giant squid alien they unite against Dr Manhattan who seemed uninterested in life on Earth anyway... what's so different?
That bit was find for me, its that they never gave the small speech john makes that undermining ozy after that
Sleepless nights at the chateau

Faust

Sleepless nights at the chateau

Lies

Could you at least put *spoiler alert* before posting spoilers please?
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!