HUGE WORM

[Elder Iptuous]

I object to the 'cogs' analogy in that it implies intelligent design, and a static system.  you of all people should have caught that.  besides that, it separates us from the system as if we are passive observers, which you know not to be the case.  all elements of life continuously change the environment to some varying degree.  We humans have developed the ability to profoundly change the environment in many ways.  I believe that it's a genie in the bottle thing, and we had better own up to our ability so that we can do it in a way that most benefits us.  now don't get your hackles up about that.  i also believe that we should go about it mindful of the long term, and cognizant of the complex interconnectedness of everything, etc.
With that in mind,  i think we could and should do our best to eliminate pests that make life shitty for us.  why would you object to that?

also, i would like to point out that i specifically called out the roaches that infest our houses, not the awesome hissing ones that are very useful for dumping on david letterman etc....

[Vene]

Messing with things we don't fully understand is just dangerous one of the things that makes Science FUN.

fixed.

cause really. that's humans. we mess with things we don't fully understand. it's what we do. it's what got us where we are now. which doesn't mean it's always right, but it does seem to WORK.

That too, but there is a difference between messing with things in a lab and wholescale extermination.  Not that it's perfectly safe in a lab, oh hell no.

[Kai]

I object to the 'cogs' analogy in that it implies intelligent design, and a static system. 

Eat a dick. No, srsly, eat a dick.

Then go fuck yourself.

[Elder Iptuous]

I object to the 'cogs' analogy in that it implies intelligent design, and a static system. 

Eat a dick. No, srsly, eat a dick.

Then go fuck yourself.

Why are you flying off the handle?

[Vene]

Maybe because you're proposing something that would cause major ecological destruction or maybe because you're bringing up creationism, a subject that makes any biologist go into a blind rage.

[LMNO]

I object to the 'cogs' analogy in that it implies intelligent design, and a static system. 

Eat a dick. No, srsly, eat a dick.

Then go fuck yourself.

Why are you flying off the handle?

Accusing BMW of Creationism thinking, perhaps?

[Elder Iptuous]

Maybe because you're proposing something that would cause major ecological destruction or maybe because you're bringing up creationism, a subject that makes any biologist go into a blind rage.

Yeah, the terminology being used implies design, which is why i objected to it.  i figured he might backpedal on the phrasing and explain his ideas in some other context.  but i got 'eat a dick' instead.....
nice.

[Vene]

Riiight, using a metaphor to make a point clearer implies design.  I'm with Kai, eat a dick.

[LMNO]

"Look at that dick.  Look at the way it fits perfectly in your hand!  Look at the way it fits perfectly into your mouth!  Surely, God designed it that way so you could eat a dick!"
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[Vene]

"Look at that dick.  Look at the way it fits perfectly in your hand!  Look at the way it fits perfectly into your mouth!  Surely, God designed it that way so you could eat a dick!"
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ANAL?

[Elder Iptuous]

 
that was pretty good, actually...

but, goddamn. don't get so buthurt about it.
i fuckin stand by what i said.  he's talking about 'cogs' and the associated imagery of removing cogs and breaking the 'machine'.   There's no way you can say that those terms don't imply design.  So i said so.  I wasn't calling anybody here an ID proponent.  i was just pointing out that he's using that kind of terminology in his argument.  I didn't jump him for it. he could have taken the opportunity to say, 'yeah. that's not what i was meaning to imply.  i meant that the system has intricate reliances between its parts that can lead to systemic failure if one part is removed.' We could have continued the debate from there.
but no, instead he told me to eat a dick.

[Kai]

I object to the 'cogs' analogy in that it implies intelligent design, and a static system. 

Eat a dick. No, srsly, eat a dick.

Then go fuck yourself.

Why are you flying off the handle?

Accusing BMW of Creationism thinking, perhaps?

Bingo.

Besides, if fuckface had actually read the quote, then he would have noted the words "biota, in the course of aeons", which is really not something a creationist would say; I damn well wouldn't use creationist bullshit anyway, or associate myself so strongly with their retoric as I do with Leopold.

So yeah, dipshit, eat a dick. Leopold a creationist....ffs, they don't teach kids anything about metaphor in schools these days do they?

ESAD

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

that was pretty good, actually...

but, goddamn. don't get so buthurt about it.
i fuckin stand by what i said.  he's talking about 'cogs' and the associated imagery of removing cogs and breaking the 'machine'.   There's no way you can say that those terms don't imply design.  So i said so.  I wasn't calling anybody here an ID proponent.  i was just pointing out that he's using that kind of terminology in his argument.  I didn't jump him for it. he could have taken the opportunity to say, 'yeah. that's not what i was meaning to imply.  i meant that the system has intricate reliances between its parts that can lead to systemic failure if one part is removed.' We could have continued the debate from there.
but no, instead he told me to eat a dick.

There's no way you can say those terms don't imply design if you're so conditioned you can't contemplate the operations of a machine without considering the creator of the machine. But that's a fault of your conditioning, not of the metaphor; you are extrapolating based on your conditioning.

[Elder Iptuous]

what?
It's Cogswell's Cogs, goddammit.....
you can't just call me 'conditioned' and excuse the implications of the terms...

[Richter]

"Look at that dick.  Look at the way it fits perfectly in your hand!  Look at the way it fits perfectly into your mouth!  Surely, God designed it that way so you could eat a dick!"
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I'm using this the next time someone bashes sodomy and promotes Intel. Des. in the same conversation.