Can it be World Police Time now?

[P3nT4gR4m]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

It's my heart that doesn't like this idea my brain is pretty sure it's sound logic. Yes there is still the threat of bad shit from other vectors and potential backlash shenanigans but on the whole I think it'd help.

The really scary thing is that the guys who make the decisions - they have no hearts. They're not even guys, they're beurocracy - human decision without the slightest hint of accountability or compassion.

[Honey]

Reserving judgment until the heart & mind are reconciled seems to be a good rule of thumb in most endeavors. 

Fighting theocratic ideology with more of the same o same o theocratic ideology, does not seem to work.  Case in point?  most of history.  Attaching a band aid to a major wound, along with the denial of the immense collateral damage (including & especially human lives lost or shattered) is a kind of Katma (combination of karma and dogma).  A different level of thinking is required, I think, to even approach these kinds of things.  Having mindless & heartless people making these decisions only escalates the problem.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

You've have to bomb most of the planet to eliminate smudgy people who hate America.

[Faust]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

You've have to bomb most of the planet to eliminate smudgy people who hate America.

He's not american.

[Faust]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

If most of the first world has that mentality then they are far more likely to nuke then the middle east. its this kind of mentality that makes me think the middle east should have a preemptive strike against the knee jerk western terrorists.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

You've have to bomb most of the planet to eliminate smudgy people who hate America.

He's not american.

Same goes for Britain.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I deal with in in very simple terms. Brain says middle east/pakistan kinda area is dangerous. Ticking timebomb, eventually they'll nuke us. Solution kill em all and let allah sort them out. 0 smudgy people - 0 smudgy terrorists.

If most of the first world has that mentality then they are far more likely to nuke then the middle east. its this kind of mentality that makes me think the middle east should have a preemptive strike against the knee jerk western terrorists.

Exactly true.

Let's look at who's terrorizing who; how many Western countries have had military invasions by the Middle East in the last 100 years?

How many Middle Eastern countries have been invaded by the West?

Hmmmm.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Of course, the West has been the aggressor. But that doesn't change the fundamentally incompatible ideologies of liberal democracy and fundamentalist theocracy. The entire Middle East isn't to blame, but specific, worthless elements of their culture are. We have our own worthless extremists but they aren't as violent or as organized as Islamic terrorist organizations.

These organizations are not concerned with concepts like Mutually Assured Destruction, either. They're addicted to the absurd notion of transforming the entire world into a caliphate, and regardless of how impossible that is, they will continue to fight and kill for it until they are all dead. I'm just saying we could speed up the "until they're all dead" part a little.

[P3nT4gR4m]

The logic is pretty straightforward really. Reductio ad absurdum: If I was the last man left on earth chances of nuclear war / dirty bomb terrorism = virtually* none









*depends how drunk I get

[Bu🤠ns]

The logic is pretty straightforward really. Reductio ad absurdum: If I was the last man left on earth chances of nuclear war / dirty bomb terrorism = virtually* none









*depends how drunk I get

If you were the LAST PERSON why the hell not ya know

[Faust]

Of course, the West has been the aggressor. But that doesn't change the fundamentally incompatible ideologies of liberal democracy and fundamentalist theocracy. The entire Middle East isn't to blame, but specific, worthless elements of their culture are. We have our own worthless extremists but they aren't as violent or as organized as Islamic terrorist organizations.

These fundamentalists were armed and exploited by the people who call them terrorists. Their tenacity and ability to be more then just another group of 'sand niggers' the military could arm and laugh when then blew each other came as such to the people at the top that we never stop hearing about them, oh poor America and Britain a couple of unexpected attacks one day back on september eleventh cleary justifies ongoing carpet bombings, military rule, random killings and imprisonments, invading a random country every couple of years etc. These people were created by the current system, I don't give a shit how hard it is, its the wests responsibility to find a peaceful solution, it will NEVER ease up unless efforts are made down that road.

[Corvidia]

There's not an easy answer to this. The whole damn region's a mess, not in part thanks to the US's FUBAR of Afghanistan. We needed to focus on that and not chase ghosts in Iraq. However, Bush 42 went ghost hunting and here we are, with a potentially nuclear mess on our hands.
Personally, my heart wants to stomp the shit out of the Taliban for all the Sharia law crap. But then, I want to stomp the shit out of everyone who takes Sharia seriously.
But that's not plausible or any more humane then what they do (this is Brain talking). I don't think pulling out will do any good. If we drop Iraq, we might be able to get involved and have some good results. We're in the region already and this is intertwined with the Afghanistan problem.

I have a friend whose family is from the region and I want to see if I can finagle a chance to talk to her parents about it. Her father's effing brilliant so he'll have something interesting to say if nothing else ("We're fucked" might be what he says or he might have a good idea).

Of course, the West has been the aggressor. But that doesn't change the fundamentally incompatible ideologies of liberal democracy and fundamentalist theocracy. The entire Middle East isn't to blame, but specific, worthless elements of their culture are. We have our own worthless extremists but they aren't as violent or as organized as Islamic terrorist organizations.

These fundamentalists were armed and exploited by the people who call them terrorists. Their tenacity and ability to be more then just another group of 'sand niggers' the military could arm and laugh when then blew each other came as such to the people at the top that we never stop hearing about them, oh poor America and Britain a couple of unexpected attacks one day back on september eleventh cleary justifies ongoing carpet bombings, military rule, random killings and imprisonments, invading a random country every couple of years etc. These people were created by the current system, I don't give a shit how hard it is, its the wests responsibility to find a peaceful solution, it will NEVER ease up unless efforts are made down that road.

Problem is, there's really not going to be a peaceful solution to the extremists, unless you could becoming a Dhimi. Which I don't. We need to find a way to end the process that creates them, because the ones that already *are* crazy probably aren't going to become un-crazy any time soon.

[Honey]

There's not an easy answer to this. ...

Problem is, there's really not going to be a peaceful solution to the extremists, unless you could becoming a Dhimi. Which I don't. We need to find a way to end the process that creates them, because the ones that already *are* crazy probably aren't going to become un-crazy any time soon.

^^^  & they probably say the same thing about us.

I think we can admit the previous administration allowed torture & continues to lie about it.  I think we can also admit they fooled us into believing we were entering a war to protect democracy against Al Qaeda & in the words of GWBII, other evil doers.  I think they used the September 11th horrors to market an unnecessary (however highly lucrative for some) war we are still engaged in.  They capitalized on peoples worst fears & I don't know how they can sleep at night.  I don't trust the motivations here either.   

I would be interested in hearing what your friend's father has to say.

[Corvidia]

I would be interested in hearing what your friend's father has to say.

When I get a chance to talk to Boris, I'll definitely report back.

[Verbal Mike]

I'm with Faust here. Violence only feeds more violence. (The exception is cataclysmic territorial pissing contests like WWII which cause so much destruction all those involved decide the borders are fine just like they are, actually.)

The West will never win with bombs, because the extremists have learned to use bombings/attacks/defeats/general violence to rally the people and gather conscripts. Take a look at Israel (where I come from, mind you) - they've been using violence on the turrrrists again and again, sometimes with more precision, sometimes with less, and the net result is that Hamas and Fat'h are as strong as ever.

I think the solution has to be peaceful, or it won't be a solution at all. What that actually means I'm not sure. I've given much more thought to the Palestinians' situation that that further east... For the Palestinians, I believe the solution has to be improving their living conditions so there are less people with nothing to lose (which are the perfect conscripts for crazy-ass mofos who wanna shoot things up) while at the same time working extensively on reconciliation between Israelis and Palestinians, on a huge scale but on an individual basis, to finally forge a single state for both peoples together (since agreeing on a border seems impossible, and they're already economically intertwined.) By extension, the solution in Pakistan would be to help them improve their living conditions, stabilize the politics and the economy, and try to shift the culture to a more Western one... No idea if that idea's worth shit, but shooting things up won't discourage the smudgy mofos from shooting thigns up, I'll tell you that.
Maybe the West should look at places it has successfully Westernized and see how all that went down... Even though, with the example of Japan coming to mind, I guess there's a limit to how well it can work out...