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Started by Epimetheus, April 27, 2009, 01:41:45 AM

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April 27, 2009, 01:41:45 AM
Initially I only had the first sentence, but I kept rambling onward and felt like posting it.

Even gods have flaws. Every single mythology has recognized this, even the Christian Bible. But modern Christians will have none of it. I think that is the main thing that turns me off from Christians, as well as the thing that is the one major logical flaw in their thinking.
God must be flawed. Not only are there numerous contradictions in the Bible, etc., but I think the simplest reason is this: he created people in his image. If people are flawed, God must be flawed. Flaws cannot be traced to being given free will, because surely God has free will? Or, if he doesn't, he is being controlled by some other, more powerful force. Therefore, if God is the most powerful force in the universe we must assume he has free will.

If flaws were something new he created just for humans (that bastard), then where did the concept come from? In a perfect universe, with all this perfect shit, this perfect being God somehow thought to create something that wasn't perfect? How? Is it his omniscience? If so, it means that he is able to know not only all that is true, but all that is false and nonexistent - for in the universe before he created humans, flaws did not exist. Yet he knew them. God thus must know and imagine all that is false, nonexistant, or impossible. God thus knows and can imagine the impossible, which is contradictory in itself (Despite what you may believe, there is no way God is beyond logic; that is a weak and desperate answer). Surely a much simpler solution to this is: God is flawed.
If Christians accepted that God were flawed, the Bible and all of Christian philosophy would suddenly make so much more sense.
In fact, it would all make perfect sense.



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#1
April 27, 2009, 03:57:17 AM
I always thought it made the most sense that the Christian god was just a local demon who tricked some schmucks into worshipping him.  A burning bush that talks sound more like demon behavior that deity behavior.
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April 27, 2009, 04:12:42 AM
Quote from: simonmoon333 on April 27, 2009, 03:57:17 AM
I always thought it made the most sense that the Christian god was just a local demon who tricked some schmucks into worshipping him.  A burning bush that talks sound more like demon behavior that deity behavior.

True. In Christian mythology I find Satan's rebellion the most interesting - I think the clearest interpretation of God is that he is an insane fascist dictator with current numbers overwhelmingly on his side. Satan was basically a fighter in a failed Revolution.
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#3
April 27, 2009, 12:43:20 PM
IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY STORY - STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL!!!  :argh!:

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#4
April 27, 2009, 02:57:28 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 27, 2009, 12:43:20 PM
IT'S A FUCKING FAIRY STORY - STOP TALKING ABOUT IT AS IF IT WERE REAL!!!  :argh!:

Needed to be in the right theoretical frame of reference. Plus, for this purpose it's easier to say "God" than something like "the deity that Christians and Jews claim is real but like, totally isn't".

Disclaimer: When I said "God" I meant the deity that Christians and Jews claim is real but like totally isn't.
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#5
April 27, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
If you want to talk about this crap go to a christian forum - they'll thank you for it.

Personally I come here to get away from primitive superstitions :argh!:

Pointing out how stupid the epitome of retardedness is is kinda redundant dontcha think?

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#6
April 27, 2009, 03:44:41 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on April 27, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
If you want to talk about this crap go to a christian forum - they'll thank you for it.

Personally I come here to get away from primitive superstitions :argh!:

Pointing out how stupid the epitome of retardedness is is kinda redundant dontcha think?

No.
You might ask that about almost every rant in the Or Kill Me forum.
It's not redundant to call something stupid stupid. It's just speaking the Truth.
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#7
April 27, 2009, 04:34:53 PM
Theologians have debated the same thing as the OP for centuries. And it hasn't made much difference to the concept of faith at all, except to perhaps make people who don't want to believe one or the other side of the argument and create very complex justifications for what they believe.

It's not important, it's not central to anyone's faith in a tangible sense, and it distracts from some of the very real problems inherent in mass organised religion.

I don't care if a Christian or any other Abrahamic Religionist thinks their God is flawed or not, because ultimately THEY are flawed and it's them I have to deal with.

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April 27, 2009, 04:47:07 PM Last Edit: May 15, 2009, 06:03:29 PM by TSosBR!
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#9
April 27, 2009, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: Payne on April 27, 2009, 04:34:53 PM
I don't care if a Christian or any other Abrahamic Religionist thinks their God is flawed or not, because ultimately THEY are flawed and it's them I have to deal with.

Don't you think realizing one's god is flawed would make a religious person much less inclined to be absorbed in hubris? In other words, if the supreme creator being of the entire universe is imperfect, imperfection in people seems a much less atrocious or antagonistic thing. Surely tolerance rather than into-...fuck, I've suddenly lost conviction. Now I've ventured into defining right and wrong which I think is a strictly useless idea.
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Epimetheus,
uh..........
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#10
April 27, 2009, 11:32:30 PM
Quote from: Epimetheus on April 27, 2009, 09:24:55 PM
Quote from: Payne on April 27, 2009, 04:34:53 PM
I don't care if a Christian or any other Abrahamic Religionist thinks their God is flawed or not, because ultimately THEY are flawed and it's them I have to deal with.

Don't you think realizing one's god is flawed would make a religious person much less inclined to be absorbed in hubris? In other words, if the supreme creator being of the entire universe is imperfect, imperfection in people seems a much less atrocious or antagonistic thing. Surely tolerance rather than into-...fuck, I've suddenly lost conviction. Now I've ventured into defining right and wrong which I think is a strictly useless idea.
:sadbanana:



Epimetheus,
uh..........

It doesn't work that way. It never does, in religion.

It's not about who or what God is. It's about how big your piety peen is. God could be a total asshole, but if you Believed the fuck out of him, you'd be better than anyone else.

It also doesn't matter if God is flawed or not as long as He believes in you. He's still gonna be a mighty motherfucker and you want Him on your side.

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#11
April 27, 2009, 11:49:12 PM
I'm all for Hailing Satan and whatnot, but please use a blackened blade of unholy vengeance rather than preschool scissors.

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#12
April 27, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
What?

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#13
April 27, 2009, 11:53:07 PM
Quote from: Payne on April 27, 2009, 11:50:06 PM
What?

Heh. Excuse my reductionist habits.

I feel that s/he is attempting to fix a case of fuzzy logic by using the same brand of fuzzy logic s/he was inculcated with, and presently bucking against.

Perhaps this is an unfair assessment.
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#14
April 27, 2009, 11:55:24 PM
Oh, right.

Yes possibly.
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