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Started by popjellyfish, May 05, 2009, 06:34:28 AM

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Rococo Modem Basilisk

Shuffling instructions would differ from a Derive in one particular element: a derive should always show the actual psychogeography of a place in a semi-repeatable way, since presumably you are being drawn and repelled in predictable ways by semi-permanent features. However, I still think it's a neat idea.

Your phrasing of it as a tarot deck flashed on me an interesting idea, though. You could use it similarly to bibliomancy, couldn't you? Assign importance to the sights seen on the trip or to wherever you end up -- use it as a form of dowsing or assign to it the signficance of being a mirror of a macrocosm (so it's like scrying -- the story of your small trip is a microcosm of some greater story at some time in the past or future).

The other bit (I may be delving off-topic here and jacking a bit) is that this method will actually make some kind of geometric pattern. Imagine doing this prior to the trip, with the aid of a map, and drawing out the route based on this. It would be like a sigil representing the trip, and the same series of instructions would have a different form for every locale since real geographic places have irregularities not found on a blank grid or tabula rasa.


I am not "full of hate" as if I were some passive container. I am a generator of hate, and my rage is a renewable resource, like sunshine.

Novatore

Popjellyfish and I talked years back on the idea of ghost bus stops. in pdx whenever there has been a change in bus traffic there sometimes exist  bus stops which are no longer in use. Sometimes there is a shelter there which is heavily graffiti'd and trashed. Places like this seem very interesting to me and it would be interesting to map all the ghost stops together and see what kind of busline would develop from this game of connect the dots.

Another idea of this vein would be seeking out bus stops whose ID number is ov particular significance like 3125 or 420(belmont line in front of Col. Sumner park) and adorning them with small alters which are aesthetically appropriate for their gemetria.

One of the great things about running everywhere instead of using public transit or cars is that i am constantly covering new territory and with each new street there is usually something that catches my eye. For instance there is this type of lawn animal which looks like a demon raccoon's with piercing red eyes, I have seen more and more of them pop up in the SE (someone brought one into my apt. complex too). For me these statues exist within the narrative of my own personal mythology.

Hitchhiking and Freight riding are both great in the service of exploring ones psyche while exploring the world at large.

Rococo Modem Basilisk

I guess the abandoned bus shelters are kind of a free zone, huh? Theoretically city-owned but not kept up, kind of like how the billboards in NYC were legally unprotected yet still physically there after they got outlawed. They could probably be modded greatly, since they are both public and highly unregulated -- you'd have a kind of seperate memetic culture in each, which might make for good experimental matter for memebomb research since at ghost busstops far apart you might have more or less unconnected yet thriving graffiti cultures -- put a memebomb in one and see how long it takes for something similar to be spread to another nearby. That might be a better way to draw a line -- it represents a network of communication within PDX rather than a straight line that a bus would be likely to take.


I am not "full of hate" as if I were some passive container. I am a generator of hate, and my rage is a renewable resource, like sunshine.

Novatore


popjellyfish

Quote from: Enki-][ on May 06, 2009, 06:05:30 PM
Shuffling instructions would differ from a Derive in one particular element: a derive should always show the actual psychogeography of a place in a semi-repeatable way, since presumably you are being drawn and repelled in predictable ways by semi-permanent features. However, I still think it's a neat idea.

Your phrasing of it as a tarot deck flashed on me an interesting idea, though. You could use it similarly to bibliomancy, couldn't you? Assign importance to the sights seen on the trip or to wherever you end up -- use it as a form of dowsing or assign to it the signficance of being a mirror of a macrocosm (so it's like scrying -- the story of your small trip is a microcosm of some greater story at some time in the past or future).

The other bit (I may be delving off-topic here and jacking a bit) is that this method will actually make some kind of geometric pattern. Imagine doing this prior to the trip, with the aid of a map, and drawing out the route based on this. It would be like a sigil representing the trip, and the same series of instructions would have a different form for every locale since real geographic places have irregularities not found on a blank grid or tabula rasa.

I was thinking of what this deck would entail, and I like the idea of using urban images rather than any text. A bit more abstract, but something I could keep in the palm of my hand, charging as I walk. Pulling a card, it may look like a light pole with all of it's wires moving to the right. And so on. If the imagery is handled correctly, you could utilize it to divine from the actual landscape in front of you.

The sigil idea is interesting, though I think I'd personally want to do it in reverse of what you said. As in, start the derive with no direction in mind, and draw lines on the map wherever you go. I'd keep a pocketful of stickers or a stencil or magnum marker handy to decorate my path, drawing the sigil on the city. When the Derive is done, the sigil is done. And I've drawn it without knowing what it even looks like.
the kids are alright, unburdened and uptight

chaoflux

I demand that there be a card for a friendly stray cat  :lulz:
yall are bigger dorks than I am

popjellyfish

Quote from: chaoflux on May 06, 2009, 10:37:49 PM
I demand that there be a card for a friendly stray cat  :lulz:

OF COURSE THERE WILL  :fap: :fap: :fap:
the kids are alright, unburdened and uptight

popjellyfish

Quote from: Enki-][ on May 06, 2009, 06:27:03 PM
I guess the abandoned bus shelters are kind of a free zone, huh? Theoretically city-owned but not kept up, kind of like how the billboards in NYC were legally unprotected yet still physically there after they got outlawed. They could probably be modded greatly, since they are both public and highly unregulated -- you'd have a kind of seperate memetic culture in each, which might make for good experimental matter for memebomb research since at ghost busstops far apart you might have more or less unconnected yet thriving graffiti cultures -- put a memebomb in one and see how long it takes for something similar to be spread to another nearby. That might be a better way to draw a line -- it represents a network of communication within PDX rather than a straight line that a bus would be likely to take.

My original idea with the ghost bus stops was about trying to hijack a line of energy flow to suit my purposes. There were a few ways I thought of doing this. The first and easiest would be to find an abandoned route. If really lucky, there would still be stop posts and benches. Through a series of sigils, shrines and meditating at these places, I could wake it back up again. Another option would be to not graffiti them, and try to fix them up to look as much like real bus stops as possible, to feed off of anyone who would stop there and wait for a bus that would never come.

The other, less feasible idea, would be to make my own. If I had the resources to erect posts that would make people think it was a bus stop, I could create my own fictional bus route in order to syphon energy from a thriving area and redirect it somewhere that needed a bit of love and care. With this though, I'd more likely create equidistant shrines where these stops would, because I seriously doubt I'd be able to infiltrate public transportation to gank the elements I need to make a believable bus stop.
the kids are alright, unburdened and uptight

Rococo Modem Basilisk

That's an interesting idea. I suppose, though, that it can be improved maybe. I mean, if these are covered in graffiti, there are people who are actively drawing graffiti there, probably. You can slightly modify the existing graffiti turning existing lines into premade sigils or something, and that would synthesize the existing culture of the thing with the sigil intent -- a magick detournment.

Also, the sigil in my avatar is hooked into a gnostic amp network. If you like, you can hook into that; the net could always use some more input.


I am not "full of hate" as if I were some passive container. I am a generator of hate, and my rage is a renewable resource, like sunshine.

popjellyfish

Quote from: Enki-][ on May 07, 2009, 12:25:49 AM
That's an interesting idea. I suppose, though, that it can be improved maybe. I mean, if these are covered in graffiti, there are people who are actively drawing graffiti there, probably. You can slightly modify the existing graffiti turning existing lines into premade sigils or something, and that would synthesize the existing culture of the thing with the sigil intent -- a magick detournment.

Also, the sigil in my avatar is hooked into a gnostic amp network. If you like, you can hook into that; the net could always use some more input.

Well I haven't found any that are actually covered in graff, which is surprising.
the kids are alright, unburdened and uptight

Novatore

in the NE ive seen one cant recall where