On Art, Interpretation and Civilisation.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

I'm told the Caravaggio had true skill with the brush, that he was a master of exaggerated realism, a pioneer of Chiaroscuro.  Da Vinci is the forerunner to modern anatomical study, that his understanding of the human body was unequalled.

Fuck them, fuck Da Vinci, and his Moaning Lisa, the noble whore with the vacant smile.  Do you think they would have bothered if they'd had a camera?  This is not my beauty.

My art dances in the brooding clouds painted onto the austere sky, a perfect backdrop for a industrial, cancerous city, that lays its heavy blanket of smog over the grey-green grass and muffles the sound of Mother Nature choking.

My art is reflected in the black plastic bin bags piled high against the walls of a forgotten alley, in this forgetting city.  It swims in the watered-down tomato juice and congealed gravy pooling like blood on the sodden pavement.

My art is the irony,

That this is the blood of our civilisation,
Re-labelled and sold as wine.

This is the blood of our future prospects,
Wasted on the cold impassive concrete.

This is the blood of our children,
Spilled before their time.

Waste.  Pollute.  Decay.

[AFK]

Angsty.  Also, you do know that you are using TGRR's tagline, right?  You might want to consider inventing your own.  Just some friendly advice. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Angsty.  Also, you do know that you are using TGRR's tagline, right?  You might want to consider inventing your own.  Just some friendly advice. 

Or Kill Me is an old Subgenius tagline actually...

[AFK]

I was referring more to the general practice round these parts as opposed to the literal source. 

But I digress. 

[chaoflux]

I know its terribly cliche, but this brings to mind classic hakim bey .

http://www.left-bank.org/bey/immediat.htm

v.

With the disappearance of a "mainstream" & therefore of an "avant-garde" in the arts, it has been noticed that all the more advanced & intense art-experiences have been recuperable almost instantly by the media, & thus are rendered into trash like all other trash in the ghostly world of commodities. "Trash," as the term was redefined in, let's say, Baltimore in the 1970s, can be good fun--as an ironic take on a sort of inadvertent folkultur that surrounds & pervades the more unconscious regions of "popular" sensibility--which in turn is produced in part by the Spectacle. "Trash" was once a fresh concept with radical potential. By now, however, amidst the ruins of Post-Modernism, it has finally begun to stink. Ironic frivolity finally becomes disgusting. Is it possible now to BE SERIOUS BUT NOT SOBER? Note: The New Sobriety is of course simply the flipside of the New Frivolity. Chic neo-puritanism carries the taint of Reaction, in just the same way that postmodernist philosophical irony & despair lead to Reaction. The Purge Society is the same as the Binge Society. After the "12 steps" of trendy renunciation in the '90s, all that remains is the 13th step of the gallows. Irony may have become boring, but self-mutilation was never more than an abyss. Down with frivolity - Down with sobriety.) Everything delicate & beautiful, from Surrealism to Break-dancing, ends up as fodder for McDeath's ads; 15 minutes later all the magic has been sucked out & the art itself dead as a dried locust. The media-wizards, who are nothing if not postmodernists, have even begun to feed on the vitality of "Trash," like vultures regurgitating & re-consuming the same carrion, in an obscene ecstasy of self-referentiality. Which way to the Egress?

[Roaring Biscuit!]

I was referring more to the general practice round these parts as opposed to the literal source. 

But I digress. 

The forum is called that, and i thought i seen people other than roger use it, so i thought it was generic,

i edited anyway, sick of stepping TGGR's toes  

any elaboration on angsty?

[Novatore]

I love how we identify with our art, i wonder if art feels the same way?
I guess we will find out when the robots take over
oh wait...

[AFK]

Well, it is certainly very vivid.  But it just has that "revelling in the dark" quality to it that just doesn't jive with me.  But, it may just be a generational thing.  In other words, pay no mind to the old fart, I'm just making noise.  

[Novatore]

I know its terribly cliche, but this brings to mind classic hakim bey .

http://www.left-bank.org/bey/immediat.htm

I think Hakim bey would be rolling in his grave.

[Roaring Biscuit!]

Well, it is certainly very vivid.  But it just has that "revelling in the dark" quality to it that just doesn't jive with me.  But, it may just be a generational thing.  In other words, pay no mind to the old fart, I'm just making noise.  

Well, i suppose it does a bit, as does a lot fo my writings, which i've always found odd, 'cause I'm generally a dangerously optimistic kinda person.

I think, what I was trying to get across (and failing at a little) was the fact that I find the sort of industrial decay to be quite awe-inspiring/beautiful, even if its consequences are less so.  The alley bit was inspired by a visit to Edinburgh.. last year me thinks, and I was walking down this fairly busy street, and looked down this alley, with bin bags piled up in it, and was totally captivated...  Not a lot of other people seem to relate to that sort of moment...

[Novatore]

I can totally dig that, there is something beautiful about urban decay, take Detroit for instance never have i seen so much abandoned like a giant playground discarded by spoiled children.

[AFK]

Do you think you might have a different perspective if you didn't have a comfortable living situation? 

[Novatore]

nope nor has my situation always been comfortable, i just managed to avoid the major pit falls that typically befall the homeless

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I know its terribly cliche, but this brings to mind classic hakim bey .

http://www.left-bank.org/bey/immediat.htm

I think Hakim bey would be rolling in his grave.

If he were dead, perhaps...

[hooplala]

Do you think those pieces of art shouldn't exist because you don't care for them, or are you just venting?