Rhode Island: obviously racist because of old colonial history.

[Suu]

Um, can I ask why you're accusing me of sour grapes?

I posted a link, I posted points about such link and allowed a discussion, that is all.

The initial militaristic cause of the actual Civil War was the Confederacy trying to push the Union back off of it's own federal land at Ft. Sumter. Lincoln refused, even after the urging of several advisers, to turn military forts in Confederate territory over peacefully to the Confederates and risked the armed confrontation. It was a platform that he stood on and maintained for quite some time. If Lincoln would have willingly given Union federally-held land to the Confederacy, then there's a chance that the Civil War would have been quite less bloody. It's not too uncommon to hear that Lincoln, who we all admire as being a kickass "A House Divided Cannot Stand" President, was the primary reason for the bloodiest war in American History.

Secession of the Confederacy was brought on primarily by political strife (Such as Stephen Douglas lifting the Missouri Compromise and splitting the Whig Party) and state rights. Slavery was just the icing on the cake.

There was just as much racism and 'illegal' slavery in the North as there was 'legal' in the South, not to mention the Fugitive Slave Act, which from was I recall, remained in place even well during the Underground Railroad.

Once more: Plantation is just a word. Nigel's family owned one, and they were black, so folks pointing the finger and saying "Plantations are a racist thing" are misunderstanding the connotation based on what they know from history. That is all.

[Suu]

Addendum:

This isn't pointing the finger at anyone on this board, as I consider you all intellectual equals. But I've decided to summarize how I think American history must be actually taught right now:


In the beginning, there was Columbus, he was the only one who found America. Ever.
Spanish guys come over, kill Montezuma, and that's why you get diarrhea when you visit Mexico.
Pilgrims are really nice guys and they eat turkey with Indians.
The British are bad, and tax tea, so Paul Revere rides and tells people to fight.
The Revolutionary War The War Against England
George Washington is the first president.
We fight another war against England, but we'll skip that, and talk about the French giving us the Statue of Liberty
Something boring happens...oh right, the Industrial Revolution
Lincoln is elected President, slavery is bad.
The Civil War The War Against Slavery
Something something about carpetbaggers, scalawags, and the railroad. John Wayne movies take place here.
People in Europe are fighting, let's ignore them for a while.
World War I The War for the United States to look Super Cool in the End
Flappers tape their boobs down!
Prohibition happens, but people still make their own alcohol. It's cool to drink, even when you're not allowed.
The gaudy flappers spend all the money, country is broke, everyone is depressed.
Hitler is evil.
Mussolini is evil.
Japan is VERY evil.
World War II The War Against Nazis
Russia is communist! OSHI-
Communism is bad!
Korea is splitting up because of Communism! Let's stop it!
The Korean War The First War Against Communism
Oh fuck shit damn, Communism!
Did I mention Communism was bad? Don't let the Russians do anything! OH FUCK!
Communism in Vietnam?! FUCK!
The Vietnam War (Don't call it a war! We didn't win!) The Second War Against Communism

--Fill in the blanks with "We didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel"--

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia...shit, if you are an Islamic country, we hate you! Goddamn. You better not be communist! If Russia is helping you we'll bust a cap! GODDAMN!
Wut? Communism over? Booo hisss....need...new...target...
Oh there goes those fucking Islamic countries again, damn!
The Persian Gulf War George Bush Sr. and the not-so-Last Crusade
OJ Simpson's glove didn't fit.
Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
OH SHIT FUCK DAMN TERRORISTS HIT THE TWIN TOWERS OH WTF WE ARE INVINCIBLE!
The War on Terrorism
While we're over there...
The Iraq War George Bush Jr. And the Last Crusade
STOP EVERYTHING: BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED

History over.

Now class, that's all you need to know for now, here are the answers to the standardized test you need to take so you can pass and I can get a raise. Please study these instead of anything else you'll need to know. Thanks.

[LMNO]

Yeah, that's pretty much how I was taught it.

People thought I was a brainiac because I knew about the Articles of Confederation.

[Suu]

Yeah, that's pretty much how I was taught it.

People thought I was a brainiac because I knew about the Articles of Confederation.

How dare you know anything from those chapters the teacher had you skip!

[LMNO]

To be fair, I had no idea what they were about, I just knew they existed.



Plus, if it wasn't covered on Schoolhouse Rock, it wasn't worth knowing, right?

[Suu]

Technically I shouldn't know any of this. I went to school in Florida, which of course, was the only Confederate State to not be formally taken by the Union in the field of battle.

[Richter]

To be fair, I had no idea what they were about, I just knew they existed.



Plus, if it wasn't covered on Schoolhouse Rock, it wasn't worth knowing, right?

This, and else that is worth knowing will be revealed to you by pop up video.

[P3nT4gR4m]

All history summarised:

1) The good guys won. The bad guys were vanquished. Signed - the good guys

2) Our country invented/discovered all the cool shit. Anything not invented by our country is of little or no significance.

3) Successful revolutionary = hero. Unsuccessful revolutionary = evil terrurist (see #1)

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

I went to school in Fl too.
Only I refused to believe a damn thing they were teaching me.
I figured out that my teachers were stupid when they would threaten to write me up for asking questions.

So I guess I'm more self taught.
::sigh::

my poor kid.

[Adios]

Um, can I ask why you're accusing me of sour grapes?

I posted a link, I posted points about such link and allowed a discussion, that is all.

The initial militaristic cause of the actual Civil War was the Confederacy trying to push the Union back off of it's own federal land at Ft. Sumter. Lincoln refused, even after the urging of several advisers, to turn military forts in Confederate territory over peacefully to the Confederates and risked the armed confrontation. It was a platform that he stood on and maintained for quite some time. If Lincoln would have willingly given Union federally-held land to the Confederacy, then there's a chance that the Civil War would have been quite less bloody. It's not too uncommon to hear that Lincoln, who we all admire as being a kickass "A House Divided Cannot Stand" President, was the primary reason for the bloodiest war in American History.

Secession of the Confederacy was brought on primarily by political strife (Such as Stephen Douglas lifting the Missouri Compromise and splitting the Whig Party) and state rights. Slavery was just the icing on the cake.

There was just as much racism and 'illegal' slavery in the North as there was 'legal' in the South, not to mention the Fugitive Slave Act, which from was I recall, remained in place even well during the Underground Railroad.

Once more: Plantation is just a word. Nigel's family owned one, and they were black, so folks pointing the finger and saying "Plantations are a racist thing" are misunderstanding the connotation based on what they know from history. That is all.

Thank you for this post.

[Adios]

Technically I shouldn't know any of this. I went to school in Florida, which of course, was the only Confederate State to not be formally taken by the Union in the field of battle.

The geography in Florida is a bitch. It's why the Seminoles were never defeated. I have worked in those black water swamps and they spook the hell out of me. There are THINGS in those places. With teeth and shit. Then the heat combined with the humidity and the mosquitos.

[Triple Zero]

In the beginning, there was Columbus, he was the only one who found America. Ever.
Spanish guys come over, kill Montezuma, and that's why you get diarrhea when you visit Mexico.
Pilgrims are really nice guys and they eat turkey with Indians.
The British are bad, and tax tea, so Paul Revere rides and tells people to fight.
The Revolutionary War The War Against England
George Washington is the first president.
We fight another war against England, but we'll skip that, and talk about the French giving us the Statue of Liberty
Something boring happens...oh right, the Industrial Revolution
Lincoln is elected President, slavery is bad.
The Civil War The War Against Slavery
Something something about carpetbaggers, scalawags, and the railroad. John Wayne movies take place here.
People in Europe are fighting, let's ignore them for a while.
World War I The War for the United States to look Super Cool in the End
Flappers tape their boobs down!
Prohibition happens, but people still make their own alcohol. It's cool to drink, even when you're not allowed.
The gaudy flappers spend all the money, country is broke, everyone is depressed.
Hitler is evil.
Mussolini is evil.
Japan is VERY evil.
World War II The War Against Nazis
Russia is communist! OSHI-
Communism is bad!
Korea is splitting up because of Communism! Let's stop it!
The Korean War The First War Against Communism
Oh fuck shit damn, Communism!
Did I mention Communism was bad? Don't let the Russians do anything! OH FUCK!
Communism in Vietnam?! FUCK!
The Vietnam War (Don't call it a war! We didn't win!) The Second War Against Communism

--Fill in the blanks with "We didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel"--

Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lybia...shit, if you are an Islamic country, we hate you! Goddamn. You better not be communist! If Russia is helping you we'll bust a cap! GODDAMN!
Wut? Communism over? Booo hisss....need...new...target...
Oh there goes those fucking Islamic countries again, damn!
The Persian Gulf War George Bush Sr. and the not-so-Last Crusade
OJ Simpson's glove didn't fit.
Bill Clinton got a blowjob.
OH SHIT FUCK DAMN TERRORISTS HIT THE TWIN TOWERS OH WTF WE ARE INVINCIBLE!
The War on Terrorism
While we're over there...
The Iraq War George Bush Jr. And the Last Crusade
STOP EVERYTHING: BLACK PRESIDENT ELECTED

History over.

[Requia ☣]

What state rights?

I keep hearing this, but nobody seems to be able to name something the federal government actually did that violated state's rights prior to the secession.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

[Adios]

The right to pass their own laws regarding the legality of slavery was the main one.

This was also a large economic issue. Everyone wanted cheap cotton and tobacco, but no one wanted to realize the ugly underbelly involved. The right of secession was also a player. The battle lines were ultimately drawn between free and slave states.