On the subject of FNORD

[Cain]

Nah.  Just someone who didn't do the research.  It happens.

(Of course, I may be wrong.  I just don't think its necessarily the case).

[hooplala]

I may also be wrong, just a hunch.

[Triple Zero]

You have 35,000+ posts, but I haven't found one worth reading.  You seem to only come here for drama.

On the other hand, here's a guy with 83 posts, and almost every one I've read has been fresh, interesting, and intellectually provocative for the audience.

Wow. Way to make an entrance, "white dove"

Sure you picked the right avatar picture?



And Arafelis, don't you have anything better to do than keep milking this subject? Cause all I see you do is complain, about the BIP, and trying really really hard to be right.

And as you may have noticed, you're not actually getting anywhere with being vague and pedantic like that.

And if one keeps doing what they're doing, they shall keep getting what they're getting.

Get it?

[LMNO]

Case 1: "You think you just woke up here one day, right? FNORD Think again."
Restatement: "You believe X?  You're wrong."
Explanation: The FNORD is in the deliberate use of contrast to produce anxiety.

Case 2: "You look through those bars..."
Restatement: "You are trapped/imprisoned."
Explanation: Feeling imprisoned leads to feelings of claustrophobia.  One important aspect of this is that the language is both definite and casual, possibly suggesting something like "of course you're imprisoned, where else would you be?"

Case 3: (some context removed) "Some even say that this is what death feels like..."
Restatement: "Your life is basically the same thing as being dead."
Explanation: Fear of pointlessness and/or fear of death.

Case 4: "Look at these cold, black bars. The colorless ceiling. The hard ground."
Restatement: "Your environment is dull, uncomfortable, and uninteresting."
Explanation: Suggests that the reader's life should be different than what it is, and that the other thing that it could be is in comparison bright, comforting, and exciting.

If you think these are not a particularly novel or exciting analysis of the language being used, I agree.  Similarly, if you think I've stripped away a lot of the mitigating text, I also agree.  Most of the other uses of FNORD are to reinforce these positions.

I also suspect I will need to stress the case that I am not identifying text as "FNORDish" because of a few cases of illustrative rhetoric, but because of the overall tone and approach of the piece.

I'm hoping you aren't suggesting that superlatives and negatives are fnord.

Edit: or adjectives and other descriptors.

I'm suggesting that superlatives, adjectives, etc are typically rhetorical, and in this case the type of rhetoric they are is FNORDish.

Ahem...
http://principiadiscordia.com/book/15.php

To make it abundantly clear, this is from the SOURCE MATERIAL of the Discordian Movement.

I have come to tell you that you are free.
Restatement: You are not free.
Explanation: The FNORD is the declaration you are imprisoned.

Many ages ago, My consciousness left man, that he might develop himself. I return to find this development approaching completion, but hindered by fear and by misunderstanding.
Restatement: You are afraid and ignorant since I left.
Explanation: The FNORD is both an implied authority/power, and the accusations of powerlessness. One important aspect of this is that the language is both definite and authoritarian, possibly suggesting something like "of course you're ignorant and afraid, where else would you be?"

You have built for yourselves psychic suits of armor, and clad in them, your vision is restricted, your movements are clumsy and painful, your skin is bruised, and your spirit is broiled in the sun.
Restatement: You are trapped, blind, clumsy, in pain, and spiritually tortured.
Explanation: This is especially horrific, because it states that this is a self-imposed punishment.

I am chaos. I am the substance from which your artists and scientists build rhythms. I am the spirit with which your children and clowns laugh in happy anarchy. I am chaos. I am alive, and I tell you that you are free.
Explanation: Suggests that the reader's life should be different than what it is, and that the other thing that it could be is in comparison bright, comforting, and exciting.



So, you may claim that the BIP is dark and full of coercive rhetoric: But so was the PD.

[Kai]

He simply dislikes the persuasive tone of the BIP, something we've heard before, something we'll hear again. There's nothing new here to contribute. As Anton said yesterday "So far, its trying to sell me something. Do not want."

Also, LMNO/nail/head.

/end thread

[Jenne]

It's official.

http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2007/04/toolbox_fridge.jpg <--- This thread.

You have 35,000+ posts, but I haven't found one worth reading.  You seem to only come here for drama.

On the other hand, here's a guy with 83 posts, and almost every one I've read has been fresh, interesting, and intellectually provocative for the audience.

Thanks Arafelis.

Who's the more drama whore:  The dramatist or the whore who comments on him?

You fail.  Try again, lurk moar, etc. /usual when buckets of fail post

[fomenter]

my machine that points in random directions and makes ridiculous assumptions has suddenly shifted position, and points at dove now.....

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's official.

 <--- This thread.

You have 35,000+ posts, but I haven't found one worth reading.  You seem to only come here for drama.

On the other hand, here's a guy with 83 posts, and almost every one I've read has been fresh, interesting, and intellectually provocative for the audience.

Thanks Arafelis.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and propose that Arafelis and Dove know each other IRL.

Yep.

Dove also doesn't seem to know how to read anything but Apple Talk, because OKM is chock full of pure-awesome TGRR essays and rants.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's official.

 <--- This thread.

You have 35,000+ posts, but I haven't found one worth reading.  You seem to only come here for drama.

On the other hand, here's a guy with 83 posts, and almost every one I've read has been fresh, interesting, and intellectually provocative for the audience.

Thanks Arafelis.

And you are?  Oh, yes.  Someone's alt. 

Place yer bets, folks.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's official.

 <--- This thread.

You have 35,000+ posts, but I haven't found one worth reading.  You seem to only come here for drama.

On the other hand, here's a guy with 83 posts, and almost every one I've read has been fresh, interesting, and intellectually provocative for the audience.

Thanks Arafelis.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and propose that Arafelis and Dove know each other IRL.

Yep.

Dove also doesn't seem to know how to read anything but Apple Talk, because OKM is chock full of pure-awesome TGRR essays and rants.

My guess is "Dove" IS Arefellis or whatever the hell his name is.

Both have disposable emails.

White Dove regged at the perfect moment to support Arafellis, not long after Arafellis.  IPs are different, but that doesn't mean much.  I think a IP locator search would put them in the same area of the same city, if I could be bothered.

[Arafelis]

My guess is "Dove" IS Arefellis or whatever the hell his name is.

Both have disposable emails.

White Dove regged at the perfect moment to support Arafellis, not long after Arafellis.  IPs are different, but that doesn't mean much.  I think a IP locator search would put them in the same area of the same city, if I could be bothered.

Missed this post over last night.  Saw it when I was searching for Dove's posts.

I've been using this email address for years.  Don't take my word for it; as far as I can tell, every reference (in English) to "noneuklid" with a k on the web is me.  Google can tell my story.  They pretty much all also use the same email address, although some might have fake email addresses registered.

I'm not sure how to feel about the proposition I'm cheerleading myself.  On the one hand, it's funny.  On the other hand, it kind of insults my capacity for subterfuge to do something so quickly and blatantly.  On the prehensile tail, I feel like it would be best to give Dove the benefit of the doubt, since if he isn't me, he'll be taking flak for something that's not his fault.

If he never posts again, go on thinking whatever.  But if he posts something different, don't blame me for it.  Or credit him with any of the stuff I've posted.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My guess is "Dove" IS Arefellis or whatever the hell his name is.

Both have disposable emails.

White Dove regged at the perfect moment to support Arafellis, not long after Arafellis.  IPs are different, but that doesn't mean much.  I think a IP locator search would put them in the same area of the same city, if I could be bothered.

Missed this post over last night.  Saw it when I was searching for Dove's posts.

That's good, because I only posted it a half hour ago.

I've been using this email address for years.  Don't take my word for it; as far as I can tell, every reference to "noneuklid" with a k on the web is me.  Google can tell my story.  They pretty much all also use the same email address, although some might have fake email addresses registered.

I'm not sure how to feel about the proposition I'm cheerleading myself.  On the one hand, it's funny.  On the other hand, it kind of insults my capacity for subterfuge to do something so quickly and blatantly.  On the prehensile tail, I feel like it would be best to give Dove the benefit of the doubt, since if he isn't me, he'll be taking flak for something that's not his fault.

If he never posts again, go on thinking whatever.  But if he posts something different, don't blame me for it.  Or credit him with any of the stuff I've posted.

Actually,  I think I might, because "Dove" came along just a little too conveniently, and only posted in threads in which you took a great interest.

So far, you've spent the last few days taking swings at me.  That's fine, I like to brawl.  But for fuck's sake don't be passive-aggressive about it.  If you want a flamewar, just say so.

[Arafelis]

That's good, because I only posted it a half hour ago.

Missed the extension of the thread, anyway.

Actually,  I think I might, because "Dove" came along just a little too conveniently, and only posted in threads in which you took a great interest.

This is true.  But if you can think of any way of demonstrating that I don't use proxies, I'd be happy to go along with it.

So far, you've spent the last few days taking swings at me.  That's fine, I like to brawl.  But for fuck's sake don't be passive-aggressive about it.  If you want a flamewar, just say so.

From my point of view it's equally probable that you yourself registered Dove.  He's expressed nothing of substance so far, and done nothing but (whether by accident or intent) present me in an unflattering light.  You are one of the only people in a position to verify that he is not in fact me or someone geographically close to me.  The external view will be one of history versus history, which you flatly win here.

Eagerly waiting to see if "Dove" posts again.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

That's good, because I only posted it a half hour ago.

Missed the extension of the thread, anyway.

Actually,  I think I might, because "Dove" came along just a little too conveniently, and only posted in threads in which you took a great interest.

This is true.  But if you can think of any way of demonstrating that I don't use proxies, I'd be happy to go along with it.

So far, you've spent the last few days taking swings at me.  That's fine, I like to brawl.  But for fuck's sake don't be passive-aggressive about it.  If you want a flamewar, just say so.

From my point of view it's equally probable that you yourself registered Dove.  He's expressed nothing of substance so far, and done nothing but (whether by accident or intent) present me in an unflattering light.  You are one of the only people in a position to verify that he is not in fact me or someone geographically close to me.  The external view will be one of history versus history, which you flatly win here.

Eagerly waiting to see if "Dove" posts again.

Your point of view has very little value, unfortunately. 

However, I have done an IP locate on both of you, and Dove seems to be from Florida.  And you seem to be from The Cellar. 

It's okay, though.  If I was a Cellar Dwellar, I'd find a new board to post at, too.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ugh. That explains the lack of quoting, and this filthy habit:

Read all exciting twenty of his posts.  If the criteria you're using to compare me to him and conclude that we're the same person is that you hate us and our IP addresses are both in the apartment section of a college town... Well.

For some reason those cellar people seem to think that everyone wants to go chasing links all over hell. I guess it's easier than typing out something clever or interesting.

My guess is that Dove is also a cellar person, based on not quoting, sycophantic posting style, and overall stupidity.