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Dok, the monkeys have no integrity.

Started by Kai, May 05, 2010, 02:22:29 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 06, 2010, 10:20:52 PM
Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2010, 08:45:35 PM
Quote from: Hoopla on May 06, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on May 06, 2010, 07:52:52 PM
Hoarding against lean times is not very common for primates, monkeys, or humans in a hunter gatherer society.

Not trying to be pedantic, I think you made a really good point, just that that sort of greed behavior seems like it comes from somewhere else.

Really?

no not really - just one example - squirrels store nuts - and while food storage [calling it hoarding drags in a whole pile of irrelevant baggage like the greed thing] is not practiced by simple hunter gathering societies it is very common in Complex Forager Societies. So just let Nigel's post stand as it is - a damn  fine point.

Squirrels aren't monkeys, or primates.  Neither are ants (another animal that stockpiles)  primates mostly don't, aside from human beings.  So it's human behavior, rather distinct from monkey behavior.

It's not that it isn't instinctive, just that we can't blame our furry cousins when that particular instinct makes us act fucked up.

What the hell are you talking about? I was talking about our primate behavior; ie. basic drives that we, this kind of primate, will default to, which can run unchecked and cause damage if we don't make choices to consciously manage them. It has nothing to do with other kinds of primates, and if you think it does you are missing the point entirely.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


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Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
INTEGRITY you fuckers - do you stockpile it???

Can't stockpile that, you either have it or you don't.
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MMIX

Quote from: BadBeast on May 07, 2010, 12:59:31 AM
Quote from: MMIX on May 06, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
INTEGRITY you fuckers - do you stockpile it???

Can't stockpile that, you either have it or you don't.

  . . . drags rhetorical question out back and shoots it . . .
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MMIX

Quote from: Kai on May 07, 2010, 03:41:24 AM
Today was a network of relationships more interwoven than the cast of Rent that needed a flowchart to map out the "who sent who what" and "who stole who from what".

In the end, they got wake up calls suited to their offenses. And I didn't feel bad.

You sound satisfied - that's good. Are you finished for this session now?
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