I'm making a religion based on Emergence.

[Kai]

I'm one of those weird carbon based proteinaceous beings with dioxyribonucleotide storage of genetic material. Don't know if that makes me living or not, but I'm going with "living" anyway.

Beats the alternative.   

Yeah. I mean, crystalline latticeworks are pretty and all, but try BEING one for a while. Must be boring as fuck.

Well, that's not what I meant, but sure.  My first wife was like that.

Just sitting around, undergoing nucleation process....eating salts and silicon....

Well, it's an excuse to sit on the beach.

I guess so...

Anyway, no, I'm not one of those. Definitly. I mean, if you gave me one of those DoT worksheets and it had the check boxes "Are you: Living? Non-living? Deceased? Undead?" I'd definitely check the "Living" box.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm one of those weird carbon based proteinaceous beings with dioxyribonucleotide storage of genetic material. Don't know if that makes me living or not, but I'm going with "living" anyway.

Beats the alternative.   

Yeah. I mean, crystalline latticeworks are pretty and all, but try BEING one for a while. Must be boring as fuck.

Well, that's not what I meant, but sure.  My first wife was like that.

Just sitting around, undergoing nucleation process....eating salts and silicon....

Well, it's an excuse to sit on the beach.

I guess so...

Anyway, no, I'm not one of those. Definitly. I mean, if you gave me one of those DoT worksheets and it had the check boxes "Are you: Living? Non-living? Deceased? Undead?" I'd definitely check the "Living" box.

Me?  Depends?  Is there an "other" box?  Actually applies in my case.   

[Kai]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

Forgot what?  I'm in the same condition as any other human.  It's just that I have a better idea of the how and the when.

[Kai]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

Forgot what?  I'm in the same condition as any other human.  It's just that I have a better idea of the how and the when.

Well, rain gods need to fill out their DoT forms too. And profits prophets. Standard bureaucratic procedure.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

Forgot what?  I'm in the same condition as any other human.  It's just that I have a better idea of the how and the when.

Well, rain gods need to fill out their DoT forms too. And profits prophets. Standard bureaucratic procedure.

Yep.  But that's not what I thought you were talking about.   

[Kai]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

Forgot what?  I'm in the same condition as any other human.  It's just that I have a better idea of the how and the when.

Well, rain gods need to fill out their DoT forms too. And profits prophets. Standard bureaucratic procedure.

Yep.  But that's not what I thought you were talking about.   

I always thought you'd go out in a fiery blaze of exploding toilets and propane while laughing and cursing at the same time. And then the earth would be covered by darkness for three days.

And then, rain would be different once in a while, smelling faintly of urine.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh geez, I forgot! 

Forgot what?  I'm in the same condition as any other human.  It's just that I have a better idea of the how and the when.

Well, rain gods need to fill out their DoT forms too. And profits prophets. Standard bureaucratic procedure.

Yep.  But that's not what I thought you were talking about.   

I always thought you'd go out in a fiery blaze of exploding toilets and propane while laughing and cursing at the same time. And then the earth would be covered by darkness for three days.

And then, rain would be different once in a while, smelling faintly of urine.

You know, that's not a half-bad idea...

[LMNO]

And thus, another apocalypse story is born...




...Getting back to the OP, and TGRR's request for a short synopsis:  I'm fairly good at condensing information; I'll try to really sit down with your material and see what I can do, if that's all right with you, Kai.

[Kai]

And thus, another apocalypse story is born...




...Getting back to the OP, and TGRR's request for a short synopsis:  I'm fairly good at condensing information; I'll try to really sit down with your material and see what I can do, if that's all right with you, Kai.

Sure. I'd appreciate that.

[Brotep]

Shouldn't an emergence-based religion occur on its own?  :P

It is.

Is it?

Unless Kai isn't a biological life form.  Is that the position you wish to take?

Actually, if one is arguing from the standpoint of Kai as a plurality, this is easily done.

However, emergence is not specifically limited to biological (or non-biological) systems.

The position I wish to take is that "I'm making a religion based on Emergence" is contrary to the spirit of Emergence, in that it posits an independent self that is acting on the world to construct a religion.

[Kai]

Shouldn't an emergence-based religion occur on its own?  :P

It is.

Is it?

Unless Kai isn't a biological life form.  Is that the position you wish to take?

Actually, if one is arguing from the standpoint of Kai as a plurality, this is easily done.

However, emergence is not specifically limited to biological (or non-biological) systems.

The position I wish to take is that "I'm making a religion based on Emergence" is contrary to the spirit of Emergence, in that it posits an independent self that is acting on the world to construct a religion.

1. We don't talk about that here.

2. I don't give a shit. You're getting annoying with your "cleverness".

[Captain Utopia]

The position I wish to take is that "I'm making a religion based on Emergence" is contrary to the spirit of Emergence, in that it posits an independent self that is acting on the world to construct a religion.

No, it posits that we are not independent selves, but pawns of emergence. As all religions are constructed, I'm not sure how else you expect a religion to come into existence.

Are you suggesting a more appropriate construction would be for an "Emergent Bible" to appear fully formed, printed and bound, without any human interaction? That's mythical, not emergent.

[Golden Applesauce]

The position I wish to take is that "I'm making a religion based on Emergence" is contrary to the spirit of Emergence, in that it posits an independent self that is acting on the world to construct a religion.

No, it posits that we are not independent selves, but pawns of emergence. As all religions are constructed, I'm not sure how else you expect a religion to come into existence.

Are you suggesting a more appropriate construction would be for an "Emergent Bible" to appear fully formed, printed and bound, without any human interaction? That's mythical, not emergent.

No, it would gradually come together out of the work of many individuals, in such a way that you could not predict that the Emergent Bible was occurring by looking at affairs at the level of the individual, only by looking at the societal or cultural level.

[Kai]

The position I wish to take is that "I'm making a religion based on Emergence" is contrary to the spirit of Emergence, in that it posits an independent self that is acting on the world to construct a religion.

No, it posits that we are not independent selves, but pawns of emergence. As all religions are constructed, I'm not sure how else you expect a religion to come into existence.

Are you suggesting a more appropriate construction would be for an "Emergent Bible" to appear fully formed, printed and bound, without any human interaction? That's mythical, not emergent.

Can you please quit telling people what MY religion posits and doesn't posit? PLEASE? Nowhere did I say anything about "not independent selves" or of being pawns of anything. You're putting words in my mouth.