Birthers scare the fuck out of me

[AFK]

I saw this video on Countdown last night this guy from HuffPo put together.  Basically going up to Republican Reps and getting them to go on record about their position of Obama's citizenship.  It's kind of lulzy:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#32179294

[Jenne]

The fringe element of the Republican party is losing more than just any amount of integrity the party may still have after Palin's showcasing of her...particular brand of intelligence and know-how. 

However, it would be nice if the Democrats would be more productive and were less douchebaggy in getting things done when they control 2 branches of government.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

The fringe element of the Republican party is losing more than just any amount of integrity the party may still have after Palin's showcasing of her...particular brand of intelligence and know-how. 

However, it would be nice if the Democrats would be more productive and were less douchebaggy in getting things done when they control 2 branches of government.

Err, these are the Democrats we're talking about. 

[Jenne]

Err, these are the Democrats we're talking about. 

Birthers are Republitards, no?

And I'm juxtaposing the fact that, sure the damned fringe element has taken over any sanity the Republicans might have had left in their party after Palin's disgraceful and tragically funny showing in the presidential race, but what have Democrats done with this?

Absofuckinglutely nothing, that I can see, other than start a buncha shit they obviously can't finish (satisfactorily).

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Birthers are Republitards, no?

And I'm juxtaposing the fact that, sure the damned fringe element has taken over any sanity the Republicans might have had left in their party after Palin's disgraceful and tragically funny showing in the presidential race, but what have Democrats done with this?

Absofuckinglutely nothing, that I can see, other than start a buncha shit they obviously can't finish (satisfactorily).

No I meant, why are you expecting them to accomplish anything while controlling two branches of governmnet... they're the democrats, they don't accomplish stuff. They just rescue us every 8 to 12 years from horrible accomplishments, by giving us 4 to 8 years of nothing.

It's like a constitutionally supported vacation. 

[Cain]

The Democrats may as well be two parties.

The Blue Dog Centrists (Republicanism, without the overt religious nuttery)
The Progressives (the satan-worshipping baby-eaters)

[Jenne]

No I meant, why are you expecting them to accomplish anything while controlling two branches of governmnet... they're the democrats, they don't accomplish stuff. They just rescue us every 8 to 12 years from horrible accomplishments, by giving us 4 to 8 years of nothing.

It's like a constitutionally supported vacation. 

Yeah, but there are those of us in the grassroots area who are pissed at their dog and pony show.  That some of us KNEW better and warned them, trudging on through the glittery spectacle and its sham since they couldn't fight for bupkiss while the Republitards held all 3 branches doesn't help much.  I just don't want to keep hearing about how they are "working together" blah blah blah. 

In this the Republicans are spot-on--it's on the Democrats now that Stuart Smalley has finally entered the ring.  And what are they getting done?  Health care fell flat once the Cambridge, MA police strapped it on...not that they didn't deserve to be called stupid for that incident, but it's time to get over it and get back to work, already.

[Jenne]

The Democrats may as well be two parties.

The Blue Dog Centrists (Republicanism, without the overt religious nuttery)
The Progressives (the satan-worshipping baby-eaters)

  Yes, but neither of them do anything but fail at life, apparently.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yeah, but there are those of us in the grassroots area who are pissed at their dog and pony show.  That some of us KNEW better and warned them, trudging on through the glittery spectacle and its sham since they couldn't fight for bupkiss while the Republitards held all 3 branches doesn't help much.  I just don't want to keep hearing about how they are "working together" blah blah blah. 

In this the Republicans are spot-on--it's on the Democrats now that Stuart Smalley has finally entered the ring.  And what are they getting done?  Health care fell flat once the Cambridge, MA police strapped it on...not that they didn't deserve to be called stupid for that incident, but it's time to get over it and get back to work, already.

Hope and Change are powerful motivations... especially after the last eight years... hope for any change was certainly reason enough for Grass Roots to do their best.

[Jenne]

Hope and Change are powerful motivations... especially after the last eight years... hope for any change was certainly reason enough for Grass Roots to do their best.

They're still trying, more's the pity.  I get more and more emails every week to join this focus group or that one--I've done one on education, my husband one on health care.  And in the end, unless some "official-type" person from the government is paying attention, it's a lot of hot-air-talk to me.

But I'm a terminal pessimist these days.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

They're still trying, more's the pity.  I get more and more emails every week to join this focus group or that one--I've done one on education, my husband one on health care.  And in the end, unless some "official-type" person from the government is paying attention, it's a lot of hot-air-talk to me.

But I'm a terminal pessimist these days.

It's reality... sometimes it has that effect. The Dems are really good at maintaining control and focus over the optimistic... I think that's the only reason they stay in power. They're still the party of the Hippies and Yippies from the 60's, they're anti-war and anti-nuke and pro-helping everyone man! They do for the optimistic, hippie side, what the GOP does for the pessimistic religious side.

I think.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The democrats exist to stop the republicans.
The republicans exist to help you hate the democrats.
Neither one actually makes decisions.

[Cain]

  Yes, but neither of them do anything but fail at life, apparently.

Well thats because they have different voting priorities.

Look at health care, for example.  The Progressives are all for the Universal Health care scheme....where as the Blue Dogs are nervous, because they get a lot of funding from Big Pharma and the insurance industry, due to their centrist, business friendly policies.

And this happens across the board.  "Centrist" in any political lexicon means "someone wedded to the current status quo" and the status quo is anyone who massively profits from how things are right now.  The Progressives, on the other hand, want to change some things.  Its because they're working from two different political philosophies.  The only thing they have in common is organization and party name, that aside, they can, and do, vote at cross purposes.

And with moderate Republicans fleeing the sinking ship, it will only get worse.

[Jenne]

Well thats because they have different voting priorities.

Look at health care, for example.  The Progressives are all for the Universal Health care scheme....where as the Blue Dogs are nervous, because they get a lot of funding from Big Pharma and the insurance industry, due to their centrist, business friendly policies.

And this happens across the board. "Centrist" in any political lexicon means "someone wedded to the current status quo" and the status quo is anyone who massively profits from how things are right now.  The Progressives, on the other hand, want to change some things.  Its because they're working from two different political philosophies.  The only thing they have in common is organization and party name, that aside, they can, and do, vote at cross purposes.

And with moderate Republicans fleeing the sinking ship, it will only get worse.

You are so right about that--169%

And supposedly, those same moderate Republicans are supposed to be fleeing to the Democratic party, shoring up what's to be considered the "right and proper" course for the US...I don't see anything even close to that happening.  I think they're actually waiting for the fringe element on the Right to topple the thing over, and if that happens, it flips on its belly, and the moderates can ride it out in the sunset.

Not that I think anything that neat would happen, really.  We're just going to get warmed-over regrets and half-empty promises, from what I can tell from this last 6 mos.

[Jenne]

It's reality... sometimes it has that effect. The Dems are really good at maintaining control and focus over the optimistic... I think that's the only reason they stay in power. They're still the party of the Hippies and Yippies from the 60's, they're anti-war and anti-nuke and pro-helping everyone man! They do for the optimistic, hippie side, what the GOP does for the pessimistic religious side.

I think.

Good analogy, actually.