Atheists are sounding more like evangelical Christians.

[Thurnez Isa]

For me, to ask if you believe in something implies that the answer you give means the opposite is also true.

So, "I do not believe in a God" implies "I believe there is no God."

Without the third question you cannot take a third option and say, "I do not believe in a God, and I do not believe there is no God."


The third question creates a dual system, but the third answer creates a 3-value system.

I can see the value in this way of thinking...
but if I say plate tectonics happen because of ogres deep under the ground. Deep enough that they can't be studied. It's more reasonable to take the position that there is no ogres under the ground, maybe more correct to say I don't see any evidence for ogres under the ground, but I don't see any evidence that are no ogres under the ground. It's just more reasonable to take the position there is no evidence of any ogres under the ground, and leave it at that, until more evidence comes forth.

[Thurnez Isa]

The point I was making wasn't about the question of theistic belief, it was about a group of people who act in a religious manner about their assertions which they can't back up with evidence, including very arrogant displays of evangelical proselyzation, yet refusing to recognize how religiously dogmatic they have become.

sorry to drag off topic

[Kai]

The point I was making wasn't about the question of theistic belief, it was about a group of people who act in a religious manner about their assertions which they can't back up with evidence, including very arrogant displays of evangelical proselyzation, yet refusing to recognize how religiously dogmatic they have become.

sorry to drag off topic

Nahh, go ahead. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was attacking you or atheists in general.

[Thurnez Isa]

The point I was making wasn't about the question of theistic belief, it was about a group of people who act in a religious manner about their assertions which they can't back up with evidence, including very arrogant displays of evangelical proselyzation, yet refusing to recognize how religiously dogmatic they have become.

sorry to drag off topic

Nahh, go ahead. I just wanted to make sure you didn't think I was attacking you or atheists in general.

Didn't think you were. Personally I'm a discordist anyways 
but on the topic of God's I tend to be atheistic about all presented to me, while more on the fence over the larger topic, which of course brings me into disbelief until proof is presented to warrant belief - kind of like my dad. My sister though is much more of a strong atheist then either of us, who does takes the position that there is enough rational explanations to make the existence any God so unlikely it would stupid to believe in one. I don't take that position myself.

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

So this guy at work says he's agnostic because "to say you don't believe in god is to acknowledge that there is one", right?

My problem with this lies here:
I don't believe in god or a god or many gods or any gods. I'd say I'm pretty atheist. I don't acknowledge religion and I don't care about it, in fact I think it's dumb. Just my opinion. It isn't a topic I even discuss usually. If others didn't believe either then there'd be nothing to discuss, right?
I don't feel that not believing in a god is a belief system itself, or religion or whatever.

As far as Athiestic Materialism I think I understand what you're getting at Kai. I've been given many a website via Stumble that were annoying as shit.
"We're atheist and we don't believe in god. Here's our commandments and such"
Ridiculous.
My opinion is if you don't believe, then just shut up. Right?
So I should shut up then, I guess.

I don't know. This isn't a topic I usually jump in on cause any time people mention religion and look at me for feedback I just *tsk* and make that "git da fuck outta here" hand movement. But I understand the irritation with the prostheletising atheists. So I guess all this shit was just to say "Yeah, I know how ya feel Kai"

[Thurnez Isa]

As far as Athiestic Materialism I think I understand what you're getting at Kai. I've been given many a website via Stumble that were annoying as shit.
"We're atheist and we don't believe in god. Here's our commandments and such"
Ridiculous.
My opinion is if you don't believe, then just shut up. Right?
So I should shut up then, I guess.

I tend not to visit sites on topics I tend to agree with (minus this site) so take this with agnosticism on the topic. Just as I also tend to read books of opinions I do not share to see if Im wrong about my opinions or what is the position I do not agree with it.

As far as I know atheism is just lack of belief in Gods. You could make the case that many Buddhists are athiest. They would deny that due to the word has baggage to it. Anything beyond that is separate issues. ie. no commandments, ect. I am blissfully unware of AM

Also I don't believe you should just shut up. I 100% disagree in fact. Yes there is a time and place for everything but like I said it is better to have a world where people discuss things, debate things, and are willing to give their beliefs no matter how unpleasant they are to others, then live in a world were people are scared to discuss their beliefs....
unless of course they are scared of being mocked by discordists...

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

As far as Athiestic Materialism I think I understand what you're getting at Kai. I've been given many a website via Stumble that were annoying as shit.
"We're atheist and we don't believe in god. Here's our commandments and such"
Ridiculous.
My opinion is if you don't believe, then just shut up. Right?
So I should shut up then, I guess.

I tend not to visit sites on topics I tend to agree with (minus this site) so take this with agnosticism on the topic. Just as I also tend to read books of opinions I do not share to see if Im wrong about my opinions or what is the position I do not agree with it.

As far as I know atheism is just lack of belief in Gods. You could make the case that many Buddhists are athiest. They would deny that due to the word has baggage to it. Anything beyond that is separate issues. ie. no commandments, ect. I am blissfully unware of AM

Also I don't believe you should just shut up. I 100% disagree in fact. Yes there is a time and place for everything but like I said it is better to have a world where people discuss things, debate things, and are willing to give their beliefs no matter how unpleasant they are to others, then live in a world were people are scared to discuss their beliefs....
unless of course they are scared of being mocked by discordists...

I don't visit them on purpose. Stumble gives them to me, you know, the Stumble button, the thing what keeps people up at night.

As far as shutting up(myself), it isn't that I'm scared to discuss this stuff or whatever, I just don't think I care enough to get into a big discussion or debate about it. That's all.
Same with talking about cars. Couldn't give a shit really so I don't think I have much to add to the topic.
Meh.

[fomenter]

they can be fun to troll, they cant win against the argument that they are a religion and that the absence of god requires as much faith as the existence , and eventually some of them bring the soft atheists Hawkins scale crap out and they  define there beliefs exactly like agnostics do but they want to measure how unconvinced in gods existence they are...

[Pariah]

Shit how have I missed this thread? Brilliant Kai. I've been feeling the same way about most atheists for a long time.
One of my main problems is the evolution thing. Yes I believe in evolution
Yes so does everyone
The Pope conceded
But he also said it was compatible with church teachings.
Evolution doesn't "disprove God" as the common argument goes but rather just disprove Creationism and Bible literalism. If the atheists moved on to a new battle that actually "disproved God" then sign me up damn it.

[Pariah]

Shit how have I missed this thread? Brilliant Kai. I've been feeling the same way about most atheists for a long time.
One of my main problems is the evolution thing. Yes I believe in evolution
Yes so does everyone
The Pope conceded
But he also said it was compatible with church teachings.
Evolution doesn't "disprove God" as the common argument goes but rather just disprove Creationism and Bible literalism. If the atheists moved on to a new battle that actually "disproved God" then sign me up damn it.

[Kai]

Shit how have I missed this thread? Brilliant Kai. I've been feeling the same way about most atheists for a long time.
One of my main problems is the evolution thing. Yes I believe in evolution
Yes so does everyone
The Pope conceded
But he also said it was compatible with church teachings.
Evolution doesn't "disprove God" as the common argument goes but rather just disprove Creationism and Bible literalism. If the atheists moved on to a new battle that actually "disproved God" then sign me up damn it.

Was just thinking earlier today about Darwin's religious beliefs. Early on in life he was rather religious, nearly became a clergyman for the Church of England, but as he moved on to scientific pursuits, he struggled with religion (and his wife; she was a very religious woman and they argued) and eventually considered himself agnostic. By the end of his life, clear in his autobiography, he had become an atheist. Still, he thought that a belief in god and transmutation weren't incompatible. Most people would consider his views deist these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin%27s_views_on_religion actually a very good article on the subject from Wikipedia

[Iason Ouabache]

You know who else doesn't like Atheistic Materialists?

[Kai]

You know who else doesn't like Atheistic Materialists?

Who's that? Let me guess, some Christian/IDC advocate/ YEC?

[Pariah]

Was just thinking earlier today about Darwin's religious beliefs. Early on in life he was rather religious, nearly became a clergyman for the Church of England, but as he moved on to scientific pursuits, he struggled with religion (and his wife; she was a very religious woman and they argued) and eventually considered himself agnostic. By the end of his life, clear in his autobiography, he had become an atheist. Still, he thought that a belief in god and transmutation weren't incompatible. Most people would consider his views deist these days.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Darwin%27s_views_on_religion actually a very good article on the subject from Wikipedia

Deists FTW!

[Thurnez Isa]

i dont think he's much into ID kai.. more like dinosaurs and Jesus living together....