Someone explain to me...

[Kai]

"Torture? I feel if someone is proven to have killed one or more persons, they have given up their basic humanitarian rights. Torture them."

His response.

[Cain]

 

I should've asked this earlier, it explains so much.

And yeah Iason, true, but there has to be a proper word for it, as well.

[Kai]

"You assume I don't care about that other stuff. I have already bitched about it. Small things lead to big things. Thats why I mentioned sacrificing the principle. Give them an inch and they will take a mile, ... Read Moreits only a matter of time.

Its like liberals and conservatives. Libs want gay rights and abortion rights, but want to suspend 2nd amendment rights, which conservatives want. STOP them both from suspending any rights and bam. You can feel secure in knowing your rights aren't being violated and can't be."

My response:

"As a liberal, I can say that the 2nd amendment argument is bullshit, I don't agree in suspension in the least. Not that there are any liberals in this country, just a mass of conservatives and conservative leaning centrists (and the idea that Obama is socialist leaning is laughable).

As for the first part, thanks for showing you have absolutely no credibility and worth as a person. And I STILL wouldn't wish or condone torture on you, or anyone. Asshole."

Guess it's time to resign exec board of that organization.

Edit: I just did. So much for increasing my social circle and doing good things. I won't have anything to do with an organization who's president condones torture.

[Kai]

To further explain: there are people I have to deal with on a regular basis. Those are the people I work with, the people I work for, the people I live with, and the like. I have no choice but to get along with them or at least show the semblance of getting along with them to continue doing what I'm doing and living the way I'm living.

There are then people who with I don't have to interact. These are friends, acquaintances and the like. I choose to interact with them in my spare time out of some sort of want or need for sociality or enjoyment, or to increase my ability to communicate and connect with others, or do some small deed in making the world not such a fucking nasty place to live. Such as a particular organization I was a part of.

Since I don't have to deal with those people, I won't if I don't want to. I won't have anything to do with bigots, ignorami or unfunny assholes. There is some shit that I just won't eat.

[Kai]

Also, apparently I am discriminiitory and intolerant and should not be part of such an organization. Furthermore, this could have brought to the student board of ethics.

Fuck humans. Fuck all humans, fuck them, and may Palin win in 2012 and nuke the end of this planet.

[Iason Ouabache]

How does all of this make you intolerent? 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, apparently I am discriminiitory and intolerant and should not be part of such an organization. Furthermore, this could have brought to the student board of ethics.

Fuck humans. Fuck all humans, fuck them, and may Palin win in 2012 and nuke the end of this planet.

Kai:  You are not a huge guy, but a baseball bat will offset that.

In tha nads, Kai.  In tha nads.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

How does all of this make you intolerent? 

It's that whole conservative Orwellian shit again.

You know, you're a racist if you don't hate Blacks, you're intolerant if you won't stand by and watch a homosexual get stomped, etc, etc.

[Kai]

also, apparently, the ironic thing.

This is a gay straight alliance. Thats an organization working to illiminate intolerance and discrimination against gays and the like.

I happen to be one of those tranny-ish bisexuals.

apparently I am a bi tranny bigot. against glibertarians who condone torture.


Theres some humour in there among the screaming.

[Cramulus]

[The Good Reverend Roger]

also, apparently, the ironic thing.

This is a gay straight alliance. Thats an organization working to illiminate intolerance and discrimination against gays and the like.

I happen to be one of those tranny-ish bisexuals.

apparently I am a bi tranny bigot. against glibertarians who condone torture.


Theres some humour in there among the screaming.

Ah, I see.  You have run afoul of a primate heirarchy.

Fuck 'em, Kai.  You don't need those people.  They aren't your people.  I mean, think about it.  Do they DRESS like real people, or have facial expressions like real people or even TALK like real people?  You are obstensibly supposed to be allied with them because of gender issues, but do you really WANT to be allied with "people" who condone torture? 

They are swine, Kai, and they are most definitely not on your side.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, "glibertarians"?  WTF is a "glibertarian"?

[Kai]

a glib libertarian. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread. Essentially a randroid with a hard on for "fuck you get your own" and other beloved political platitudes.

I wrote a letter to the vp, which I'm not going to send.

Dear M-,

To be completely honest, I've been thinking about resigning for weeks now, as I am in a high stress environment and truly do not have time to be an exec board member for any organization. Considering this is my (scarce) free time, and I haven't particularly enjoyed the meetings this semester, having to interact with someone I didn't want to interact with tipped the scales. Just like not going to a particular bar on a saturday night because it's full of drunken fratboys. And I will say, I got tired of the socialist hating about that time. Talk about intolerance, I remember last semester when J- got up and said "I hate socialists", one of the first things I ever heard him utter. I don't see why it's so wrong for me to say something back. Am I required to stay quiet? In any case, I won't interact with someone in my free time who I don't like on principle. Which, incidentally, is the word you're looking for, /principle/, not intolerance or discrimination. As far as I know, political opinions are not holy relics that must be guarded and protected, not innate objects of identity, unchangable, free of moral consideration. Heaven forbid I respond in an honest and forward way. This is one of the many reasons that "important" things should not be done over facebook.

Also, opposing torture isn't discrimination nor is it intolerance. It's /principle/. Oh, and you lost your only bi token tranny, so thanks for the backhanded "compliments". I know I won't be missed. You'all never liked me anyway.

Fuck you, Kai

[The Good Reverend Roger]

a glib libertarian. I think it was mentioned earlier in this thread. Essentially a randroid with a hard on for "fuck you get your own" and other beloved political platitudes.

I wrote a letter to the vp, which I'm not going to send.

Dear M-,

To be completely honest, I've been thinking about resigning for weeks now, as I am in a high stress environment and truly do not have time to be an exec board member for any organization. Considering this is my (scarce) free time, and I haven't particularly enjoyed the meetings this semester, having to interact with someone I didn't want to interact with tipped the scales. Just like not going to a particular bar on a saturday night because it's full of drunken fratboys. And I will say, I got tired of the socialist hating about that time. Talk about intolerance, I remember last semester when J- got up and said "I hate socialists", one of the first things I ever heard him utter. I don't see why it's so wrong for me to say something back. Am I required to stay quiet? In any case, I won't interact with someone in my free time who I don't like on principle. Which, incidentally, is the word you're looking for, /principle/, not intolerance or discrimination. As far as I know, political opinions are not holy relics that must be guarded and protected, not innate objects of identity, unchangable, free of moral consideration. Heaven forbid I respond in an honest and forward way. This is one of the many reasons that "important" things should not be done over facebook.

Also, opposing torture isn't discrimination nor is it intolerance. It's /principle/. Oh, and you lost your only bi token tranny, so thanks for the backhanded "compliments". I know I won't be missed. You'all never liked me anyway.

Fuck you, Kai

1.  Send it.

2.  Why can't they just say "libertarian"?  Why does EVERYTHING have to have the GLBT label on it?  Oh, yes, because they're attention whores.

[Kai]

also, apparently, the ironic thing.

This is a gay straight alliance. Thats an organization working to illiminate intolerance and discrimination against gays and the like.

I happen to be one of those tranny-ish bisexuals.

apparently I am a bi tranny bigot. against glibertarians who condone torture.


Theres some humour in there among the screaming.

Ah, I see.  You have run afoul of a primate heirarchy.

Fuck 'em, Kai.  You don't need those people.  They aren't your people.  I mean, think about it.  Do they DRESS like real people, or have facial expressions like real people or even TALK like real people?  You are obstensibly supposed to be allied with them because of gender issues, but do you really WANT to be allied with "people" who condone torture? 

They are swine, Kai, and they are most definitely not on your side.

I have no clue whether they all condone torture, but in my experience someone that doesn't speak up against such topics in their company is rather spineless. GASP, SOMEONE ACTUALLY STOOD UP FOR PRINCIPLE AND WALKED OUT ON PRINCIPLE, WHAT AN INTOLERANT THING. Maybe it is intolerant. Maybe thats a GOOD thing. Sure, there are a few people there who I'm friends with, but they support my decision. I really do have more important things to do than hang out with undergrads. Considering the organization is basically a social event despite some intentions by previous people. Meh. Probably will put me in bad standing at the UU fellowship too. Meh to that as well. If I'm not allowed to walk out on principle, then what are my allowances as a person?

Oh, and this organization hasn't done shit for anyone. Really fucking disappointing.


The worst part about it is feeling bad about it afterwards, like I did something wrong. Maybe I did. Maybe I'm a horrible bigot for harassing a poor prerich glibertarian about morality....yeah, I can't even hold a straight face. Still, I hope this doesn't all sour for me because of the mess.